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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223678
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Kinda like putting a "do not drink" message on battery acid?

You'll never fix stupid so why cause hoops for trappers and manufactures to jump thru?

Nope, we have enough laws

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223688
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Originally Posted by rpmartin
Just like at work, everything is fine until someone gets hurt. Then they have to put a new guard on to prevent more injuries. Same for trapping.


Those are people, these are animals. A small cut on their foot is the least of their worries, unless you're talking about pets of course,,,, but there are other reasons pets get caught in traps, no matter the trap, as you know, irresponsible pet owners or slob trappers, neither of which will go away with more regulations.
Originally Posted by rpmartin
I know what works good for me too, but a lot of people don't have a clue. Imo i think at minimum the trap companies should take it upon themselves to make sure they do not sell traps with sharp edges. Also i feel they should send instructions with every box of traps on the possible dangers of 4 coiling with out lamination on land trapping, water trapping is different.


How is the trap manufacturer going to know what you intend to do with the traps? No sharp edges you say, sounds good but?,,, smooth round jaws are why the 1.5 montgomery and northwoods coils are such poor coon traps. Putting warnings on the boxes of "potential problems" will only serve to give anti's more ammo.

I don't mean to seem as though I'm picking on you, I just disagree with your point of view on this issue.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: ~ADC~] #7223697
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
I'd like to be left alone. I can see first hand what equipment works for me and I don't need the state telling me what is best for me.

That's not an option anymore.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223699
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"Effective April 1, 2020, every person purchasing a Trapper License will be required to take a department approved education course prior to setting any trap or snare in New Mexico, and/or prior to hunting furbearers in New Mexico. These courses are an educational opportunity for new or experienced trappers and hunters. The courses cover the essential information needed to be a responsible and ethical trapper, as well as New Mexico furbearer trapping and hunting regulations and information on the states furbearers."

This new regulation didn't seem to stop a ban.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223713
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Nobody said it would


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #7223729
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Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
Nobody said it would

If it was not meant to do the same thing as the BMP's, what was it for?


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223731
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I don't feel like that at all adc. The reason for this post was to get a feel for how trappers feel about this subject. Now i know. I also know that about 10 percent of trappers support trapping organizations. With that low number i can tell where trapping is headed.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223732
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There was some big debates here when this when this was actively going on.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223742
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I didn't see anywhere on here where we said the BMPs were going to save the world of trapping,especially when things have advanced this far against us.But look at what has happened in other states,the current "they can't tell me what to do"," I don't want to by involved,I want to be left alone"attitude hasn't worked and it won't work heading into the future.Trapping is highly political,there's no going back from that.Things like BMPs were not meant to swing the animal rights activists to our side,they were meant for the people that aren't in involved in it one way or another but were looking at a ballot initiative.Now we're looking at cities,and possibly states in the future where the simple act of wearing fur is illegal.Do you think the status quo response and attitude of ours at this point is going to sway those people?If fur has to be certified before it can be bought do we have a response??We've drug our feet so long,now we have a administration we can't work with !B MPs are not perfect,neither our a lot of our regulations but we deal with them.As far as I'm concerned,living under BMPs is the equivalent trapping under more trapping regs,versus living under the regs of New Mexico,Colorado,Arizona,Washington,to name a few.They have no regs on public land,because THEY HAVE NO TRAPPING!!


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223747
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"NEW MEXICO (KRQE) – You can’t call it a compromise because these two groups may never see eye-to-eye. However, new rules regulating trapping in New Mexico did try to make both environmental groups and trappers happy."

"New Mexico Trappers Association President, Chance Thedford."

"“We were very supportive of the required class necessary to obtain a trapping license. This is a change we have been advocating for quite some time,” said Thedford.

Thedford says New Mexico is already one of the most regulated states when it comes to trapping and that further regulations will only harm people in the livestock industry and hinder their work to help reintroduce protected species."


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223749
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^^^well said buck

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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: Dirt] #7223752
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"NEW MEXICO (KRQE) – You can’t call it a compromise because these two groups may never see eye-to-eye. However, new rules regulating trapping in New Mexico did try to make both environmental groups and trappers happy."

"New Mexico Trappers Association President, Chance Thedford."

"“We were very supportive of the required class necessary to obtain a trapping license. This is a change we have been advocating for quite some time,” said Thedford.

Thedford says New Mexico is already one of the most regulated states when it comes to trapping and that further regulations will only harm people in the livestock industry and hinder their work to help reintroduce protected species."


Sometimes thing are just inevitable. But did new Mexico already embrace the science of bmp or was it their version of it.

Reintroduce protected species? Please explaine this.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223765
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BMP's imo were introduced to pacify the anti's by providing a scientific platform on trap efficiency which could be used to combat the negative propaganda much like the proof of origin did it or does it help hard to say kinda like the safety measures at work analogy you can't document workers who didn't get hurt only the ones who did


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223769
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I am not sure there was any more science in the BMP's than there is in global warming. They called it science. So, it was science. The test trappers were told how everything was to be set up and used. It was not any testing involved. The results were decided before it started.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223777
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It looks like new Mexico drew a line in the sand and that's as far as we are willing to go. I just hope now or down the road wish that they hadn't done that.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying we should implement all bmp right now. But i would hope they would have this info in case its needed at some point in time because if we can't stick together any better than this then they are definitely going to need it.

Like red green said, I'm a man, i can change, if i have to, i guess. Lol


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223778
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I participated in the Fisher BMP in New York. My suggestions for proper size traps were ignored and I was told what traps to use. Some research! Left a sour taste in my mouth. I think the whole thing was only to pacify the European Union., and I worry that someday states will ram the BMP's down our throat.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223780
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I know what you mean about science, but that is what some lawmakers will listen to, and yes then you have the emotional element. By science i mean veterinarians along with trappers in the room when they agreed and posted the results. Always some bias but hoping it was minimal.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: jeff karsten] #7223795
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
BMP's imo were introduced to pacify the anti's by providing a scientific platform on trap efficiency which could be used to combat the negative propaganda much like the proof of origin did it or does it help hard to say kinda like the safety measures at work analogy you can't document workers who didn't get hurt only the ones who did

BMPs were introduced because we were about to lose the fur exports to the European Union.


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I guess I don't understand exactly what your advocating for?

Take Pa., BMP's are recommended , is there yet another step your recommending?

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223870
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Not sure if your asking me, i am recommending that state and national organizations don't turn their back on the bmps and say no way we ain't going there. Because imo it is coming whether we like it or not. So we may as well deal with it and use it as a negotiation or bargaining chip so we don't lose it all. Looks to me like a whole lot of guys are willing to draw a line in the sand and saying no to bmp no mattwr what happens.
I think recommending bmps is a good move on your states part.

Is there a better alternative to bmps? Better than just saying no?


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