"General Overview of Traps Meeting BMP
Criteria for Coyotes in the Western United States
Two basic types of traps were tested for coyotes: foothold restraining traps and cable
devices.
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Somehow I figure you boys don't use foot snares. I have on bears.

Ok steeltraps, im sure that will go along way in keeping our trapping rights. Right on man, go get em. I'm absolutely positive that the lawmakers would take your word over any others all day long.
Well folks there you go, want to know why you lost trapping, well there you go. Coming to a trapping area near you!!

I don't think he sounds liberal, and I understand why he thinks BMPs will somehow treat caught animals more friendly, if that's important to you,,, however I do not believe for a second that anti-trappers are going to give in at all or settle anything less than a complete ban on all trapping. At best it could postpone the inevitable. The only way to save trapping is to vote in the right people in your states that make the laws, if you can't do that, nothing else will matter. Look at the effort and hard work of the guys in NM, they did everything including the BMP stuff and still failed to stop the ban on trapping they are now destined to have.

Nope. Were not going to accept it. Texas has oil money Private land and a good govener. Southern states have also have big money in deer lease. Plus we are unyeilding. Texas has said = We want enforce unconstitutional gun laws. Alabama WILL soon follow that path. THATS how you keep your states trapping going. Stand up to anti. Be ready to spill blood. Liberals are going to take your rights IF you give in. Your not taking my guns or traps. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees!!! I going to bed. Im going to get up and kill a coyote in a trap in the morning. I make no oppologies for who i am. Im a coyote killer. By any means nessassery. Traps Guns or a big rock to the head. LOL !

Thanks for that info, dang it i didn't see this sooner.
Hey savell, your still a douch bag. You douching baging

... not sure what that even means .. but if you’re intent on being an ambassador to snatching up up vermin in traps and killing them up close while expecting the sissified public to accept it.... you might want to at least learn how to properly insult me first lol

"A New Mexico measure that would prohibit traps, snares and wildlife poisons from being used on public lands across cleared the Democratic-led Senate late Tuesday. The legislation passed despite four Democrats from rural areas breaking with their party and voting in opposition. Two Republicans from the Albuquerque area voted in favor."

rpmartin you make me wonder how long you have been involved in the fight to keep trapping going. I remember well the fight Maryland had to keep their trapping. That was well before BMP program was going. If you were involved then you would know there is no appeasing them short of end it all.

Education of the fence setters that haven't fallen for the HSUS propaganda machine can go a long way. There are many ways to reach them. Trailblazers we talked to over 500 in Illinois several years back. Spring boat show in the Quad Cities we had a table set up with mounts and tanned fur and maned with knowledgeable people. We even had a few sign up to our state association. Believe me it will do a lot more good then arguing here on a trapping forum.

During the Clinton administration they got gifted a great big nest egg. They are reimbursed their lawyers fees no mater if they win loose or draw. That is how they can take all the DNR to court all the time. Clinton got caught up with on another deal and was stopped. He tried to give them a split of the Pitman/Roberts act funding.

Insert profound nonsense here is very appropriate

Not to stir the pot or anything, but a while back when I decided to branch out from cages and DP's, I found and studied the BMP's.....both ours and Canada's. It seems to me that 90% of it mirrors the best advice I've seen offered here. Most of it seems to be aimed at avoiding incidentals and non-target catches. That especially applies to the body grip traps and sets. On balance, seems to be good advice to follow.

True, i haven't been trapping hard as long ad a lot of you have. When i was young i trapped several years for muskrats, coon and a rew fox. In 1987 i went to Texas with a guy from Minnesota that was part owner of a lure business, R&M Lures. He and a partner went down every year trapping coyotes. That year he had back issues and hired 2 skinners, i was one. One of us would ride along and help on the line while the other stayed behind to put up the previous days catch. We skinned and put up 551 coyotes that winter.
I trapped around home a couple years after that with so so luck. I pretty much got out of trapping for many years because my interest turned to other things.

Then in 2013 i decided to get back into it again because my friend had been hunting rattlesnakes in Texas for many years and had some landowners that said it would be ok to trap. Plus we were ready to get out of the frozen tundra for a few days. Caught more skunks than coyotes. Lol

In 2014 i went for instructions from Ogorman. That's when things switched around. He ran 3 day lines so needed a trap that held well with minimal damage. At the time that trap was the Canadian jawed 3 bridger with extras done to bullet proof it against coyotes.

I went from 1/4 inch gapped offsets to 3/16 because they performed better imo.

I got some ground rounded up in Texas and trapped a few weeks during the winter. I contacted the old boy i worked for back in 87 and got some new ground from his landowners, ( he quit going down about 10 years ago) i finally got enough land to trap on and talked him into going along. That was 2 years ago.

We caught 194

coyotes but through a bunch away due to mange.

Last year he couldn't make it due to health issues, he was 74. So i was solo.
Pushed hard and caught 204 coyotes and 20 cats.




So i do have some experience with this stuff.

Your not stirring the pot at all. Would like anything you have to say on the subject, good or bad. Thanks

That's a pretty good summary right there. Except the part about me thinking they will help, i know they will help if done correctly. It should be important to every trapper in the country.

Impressive catch !

... hope none of them broke a nail

... you do realize you mentioned 72 hour checks and laminations for animal comfort in the same sentence ... seems a little hypocritical ... I’m neither for or against either one because if I was in interested in making coyotes comfortable... Id probably feed and worm them instead of trapping and killing them lol

You might want to read that again. I didn't say comfort, i said to make sure the coyote was still there in 3 days. Anyone with an understanding of what i said will know with extended checks, you better not have too much damage or that coyote won't be there on check day.

..excuse me, your words were “ treated well” in one of your previous posts... I may have confused that with comfort lol

.. bottom line is it’s a slippery slope to even entertain conversation about how much or little hurt is put on a stinking coyote ... it’s a no win situation

.. end up having to try to cage the dang things

I hope you learned that state Associations have been implementing BMP's as well as game commissions like ours from the replies here to ease your mind about them. Now if your wanting more which is what it sounds like, you'll continue to get the raft you've also seen.

Seems he is advocating States implementing the BMP recommendations. As far I can tell that would mean a ban on neck snares for western coyotes which would include here. This will be good for trappers.

The snares recommended for red fox is 3/32" or 1/8" cable. 1/8" cable for a fox? 3/32 is overkill enough.

No lynx neck snare recommended?

Thanks! But no Thanks!

This is still the best post on this thread