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choke tubes #7224707
03/23/21 04:32 PM
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for the turkey , coyote and buck shot hunters

what tube is making the best 40-50 yard patterns I like dense patterns

most of my shells are #4 lead , #4 copper plated lead and 00buck

in the past I have generally either used a fixed choke full or a full flush mount tube , how tight can I get ? what's your favorite tube ?

this one will be threaded rem choke


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Re: choke tubes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7224714
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Pete, what works best for # 4's will likely be different than what work's best for OO. Presuming it's a 12 ga, a .665 -.670 may work best for # 4's. I've read that constricting heavier shot, such as O0 with a super full turkey choke may damage your tube/muzzle. I don't have enough experience with this.

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Carlson extra full has produced some mighty tight patterns at 40 yards. I never fired buckshot through it but it's rated for it.

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I have custom made chokes for all three, lol.
I don’t think there’s “one” choke that will accomplish it all in my opinion.

Re: choke tubes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7224731
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I’d don’t think I’d be pushing oo bucks through any turkey tube of mine, you need the old polychoke.


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I am ok with a few chokes

the threading job comes with 3 flush tubes and I am not opposed to getting an extended also

I was looking at these blued steel tubes

Remington Delta Waterfowl Flush Choke Tubes
These chokes are designed to shoot steel shot. Chokes are manufactured from high grade steel and hardened to withstand steel shot loads. Chokes are only available in blue steel, which is harder than stainless. Lead shot may also be used in these high grade choke tubes.

they offer
i/c .720
mod .710
imp mod .705
full .700
x-full .690

I was also looking at the buck shot tube

Remington BuckShot Choke Tubes
Our NEW Ported Buckshot choke tube is designed to give you tight patterns downrange with 00 & 000 buckshot. This choke is ported to reduce recoil and muzzle jump that tend to go hand in hand with these large loads. This choke features a constriction designed specifically to optimize patterns with large and small loads alike. This choke will extended about 1” out of the barrel and has a black finish. Machined out of 17-4 heat treated material this choke can be used with Lead, Steel, and Hevi-Shot loads. This choke cannot be used with any Steel Shot larger than BB or with any Steel shot faster than 1550 FPS.

this is an extended .700


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Re: choke tubes [Re: Law Dog] #7224737
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
I’d don’t think I’d be pushing oo bucks through any turkey tube of mine, you need the old polychoke.


I have a poly choke but on a different gun

this is an 870 police 20 inch barrel getting threaded because I like how handy it is to carry and choke tubes will get it a lot more use than just tossing slugs deer hunting.

getting it threaded will cost more than I paid for the gun , but it will make it that much more usable and still be less than buying a new one much less a new one with choke tubes


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Choke designations are like using the color designation Blue. For smaller size shot the standard IC, Mod., and Full, are usually pretty close, but even then they vary throughout the industry. Buck shot, to really get great patterns you need to cast your own, so you can change your alloy, which the common manufactures won't do because of liability. There are plenty of casters getting real tight buck patterns, because they can make better ammo, buck shot, and tailor it to their guns. You may be surprised how tight a 9 pellet load of OO buck will pattern in a cylinder bore shotgun, if you get it out of the barrel still round!


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Federal uses their flight control wads on their buckshot now for tighter patterns look into them also.


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With the choices you have, I think that I would go with the .705, .700 and the .690. One of those will work well with the #4 shot and the .705 should do ok with the buck. The 870 I have I get pretty good patterns with 00 inside 40 yards with a mod. I like the Federal with flitecontrol wads and get the best patterns with them. The tighter I have tried to go, the more flyers I get. I have never tried one of the chokes just for buckshot. Also with the .690 if you wanted to try some of the new turkey loads, they would be ok with them as well. Is this going to be an all around gun or does it have a special propose?


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Re: choke tubes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7224755
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Loaded question. Case in point, my Beretta 391, 28 inch barrel with a Comp-N-Choke XX full (I'm old and don't remember the exact ID) puts out a devastating 40 yard pattern as does one of my Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck guns. There is virtually no difference in pattern density and I know the Winchester doesn't have anywhere near the constriction that the Beretta/Comp-N-Choke does. The load used in both guns is the Winchester Long Beard XR, 3 inch, 1200 fps, 1 3/4 oz, 5 shot. Both 4's and 6's were so-so for me. The 5's were a lot better. I tried a lot of different loads and a couple different chokes before I got what I wanted. Never played with buckshot much. Back when I was a kid I used to sneak around for woodchucks with my fathers 12 ga Model 12 and #4 buck. All I had to see was their head sticking out of the hole and that combo would rip them right out of the hole by 2 or 3 feet. I don't remember the exact load other than they were paper hulls and knowing my Father they were Winchesters.

Re: choke tubes [Re: TraderVic] #7224761
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Originally Posted by TraderVic
Pete, what works best for # 4's will likely be different than what work's best for OO. Presuming it's a 12 ga, a .665 -.670 may work best for # 4's. I've read that constricting heavier shot, such as O0 with a super full turkey choke may damage your tube/muzzle. I don't have enough experience with this.


X2 most xtra full tubes say LEAD only and then don't recommend large lead pellets. PLUS tight choke deforms large pellets and they will get "flyers" that don't pattern at all.

Re: choke tubes [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7224786
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The inside diameter (ID) of a choke tube is only part of the equation. The rest of it is what is your bore diameter. What is needed is the difference between bore and choke. My Beretta has a .722 bore, my Remington 1100 Competition Synthetic with a Pro-Bore barrel, if I remember correctly is .735 or .740. Nominally 12 ga is .729. So just to pick a number, a .700 choke in my Beretta would give me a constriction of .022, a hair over modified. A .700 choke in my Competition would be .035 or more, a full. I don't pay much attention to the nomenclature on the side of the tube. I'm only interested in the numbers, bore ID minus choke ID. I have a pair of tri-mics to measure the ID's. A short one, about 3 inches and a long one that will reach in about 18 inches. If one wants to really muddy the waters we can consider tri bores, jug chokes, or Cutts Compensater chokes.

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I agree there are many parts to the equation

I have been seeing the patterning videos for the coyote and buckshot choke , that is the pattern I would like to see

I am thinking the chokes I really want are the Buck shot extended and the rifled slug tube , and then try some other remchokes I own for another gun.

understanding every load and gun is different , the extended buck shot tube seems to tighten up most large shot and buck patterns from what I see

the rifled choke seems to impart just enough spin to give better foster slug groups also


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I played around at one time with fosters and a rifled Remchoke. It gave me 4 to 6 VERY good shots then it all fell off the edge of the table. I would then spend an hour or so cleaning the tube. Lands and grooves would be severely leaded. The original Brenneke slugs with the fiber wad screwed to the base of the slug appeared to me to be the most forgiving. They were a harder alloy. I don't know if they are still available. If they were available a copper plated foster would be most interesting. Another option might be powder coating, works well on my cast handgun slugs, some of which I cast pretty soft.

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I have an Undertaker that works good on basically everything and a Carlson that gets fuller the smaller the shot size. To me that seems backwards but I have run quite a few different loads thru her and if I am shooting #6 or smaller I will stick with it. Anything heavier, the old school Undertaker is impressive.

Before you ask, I have no idea what the bore diameters are on either- I had 2 dif experts help me pick them out so I did not have to know LOL


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Re: choke tubes [Re: Law Dog] #7226777
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Federal uses their flight control wads on their buckshot now for tighter patterns look into them also.


I actually talked to a federal engineer about these because I shoot Black Cloud steel and I had questions about the proper choke and he said the flight control wad wasn’t designed for anything tighter than a factory full, which is what I suspected since it has a completely round shot cup that is not designed to compress. Also, not designed for ported chokes.

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Most buckshot I come across is for LEO use and we don't use the tighter chokes anyways Id never shoot it through a full choke anyways. I think the cup stays with it longer and keeps the pattern tighter for our use.

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I have tried a lot of chokes then my Nephew buys a Mossberg pump 12ga that gun shoots the best pattern I have ever come across its so even its unreal!


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