Re: BMP Best management practices
[Re: rpmartin]
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03/26/21 01:50 AM
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Here's my problem with mandatory trappers ed. I started trapping when I was 7. I was being raised by a single mom, who was driving a 30 year old piece of junk car. Trappers ed was mandatory in my state even way back then (30 years ago). Fortunately, in that state, at that time, every single county had at least 2 different trappers ed courses each summer, so I was able to have my mom drive me 5 miles to get my certificate.
Fast forward 20 years to when I lived in IL, which also had mandatory trappers ed. Imagine my shock when I found out the nearest trappers ed course was over 2 hours away! That year, they only had 5 courses in the entire state. I was dismayed. I couldn't stop thinking about how many kids might want to trap their neighbors farm but wouldn't be able to legally because making a 2 hour drive wasn't even a possibility for them. I looked into how to become a trappers educator in that state, and found out you needed to take several days of courses (all of which also were over 2 hours away) and then apprentice for 3 classes with another instructor, which would involve putting on well over 2 thousand miles. All of the classes were also always on only Saturday, and I worked Saturdays. And of course, it was trappers and the association tasked with putting them on, without any compensation.... it didn't come from the state.
If any states are even considering mandatory trappers education, they should be sure to require that they're held in every county (or at least every other) and that it's the STATE responsible for funding and holding these events, and not lay it all on the volunteers of the trapping association.
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Re: BMP Best management practices
[Re: yotetrapper30]
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03/26/21 07:28 AM
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Here's my problem with mandatory trappers ed. I started trapping when I was 7. I was being raised by a single mom, who was driving a 30 year old piece of junk car. Trappers ed was mandatory in my state even way back then (30 years ago). Fortunately, in that state, at that time, every single county had at least 2 different trappers ed courses each summer, so I was able to have my mom drive me 5 miles to get my certificate.
Fast forward 20 years to when I lived in IL, which also had mandatory trappers ed. Imagine my shock when I found out the nearest trappers ed course was over 2 hours away! That year, they only had 5 courses in the entire state. I was dismayed. I couldn't stop thinking about how many kids might want to trap their neighbors farm but wouldn't be able to legally because making a 2 hour drive wasn't even a possibility for them. I looked into how to become a trappers educator in that state, and found out you needed to take several days of courses (all of which also were over 2 hours away) and then apprentice for 3 classes with another instructor, which would involve putting on well over 2 thousand miles. All of the classes were also always on only Saturday, and I worked Saturdays. And of course, it was trappers and the association tasked with putting them on, without any compensation.... it didn't come from the state.
If any states are even considering mandatory trappers education, they should be sure to require that they're held in every county (or at least every other) and that it's the STATE responsible for funding and holding these events, and not lay it all on the volunteers of the trapping association. Good points, and i have thought about that. If it was up to me i would make most of the class an online course. I think most could learn 90% more or less of what they needed to learn online. Then have a several hour field day to go over what they learned online and take another written test to make sure they know what they need and to help anyone that is a little behind. That's a quick overview of what it would consist of. That's how some states conduct their hunter ed courses. I thought it was a really good idea. I also know that people have their mind made up and refuse anything new or different. Even a 100% online course would bo better than nothing. To most of us traps are pretty basic for the most part but to a new trapper traps and trapping can be very overwhelming. Most traps don't come with instructions so a trappers ed course would at least get them off to a good start. My version of a course would be learning about the what some responsibilities of a trapper are about traps, safety, laws, public lands and many other subjects. Does this sound like something that might work?
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/26/21 11:20 AM
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Well bless your heart. Nice catch
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/26/21 05:21 PM
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Good info Bryce, thanks for posting that.
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/26/21 09:42 PM
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Nice one Savell ! By all means lets make sure that coyote is comfortable in a trap. Lets not worry about all the fawns, sheep, and calfs its killed! LOL! .... lol now I will say I understand where the Yankee is coming from as far as trying to preserve trapping... I just don’t think the folks that work to get it banned care if a critter is caught and killed with a laminated trap or not... ..don’t negotiate with terrorists is all I’m getting at lol .... slippery slope
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/26/21 11:18 PM
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Nice one Savell ! By all means lets make sure that coyote is comfortable in a trap. Lets not worry about all the fawns, sheep, and calfs its killed! LOL! .... lol now I will say I understand where the Yankee is coming from as far as trying to preserve trapping... I just don’t think the folks that work to get it banned care if a critter is caught and killed with a laminated trap or not... ..don’t negotiate with terrorists is all I’m getting at lol .... slippery slope Stop trying to inject sense into this whole conversation, lol. RPMartin, my recommendation would be against mandatory trapper's ed and in favor of voluntary trapper ed. Look into AL's voluntary kids camps for a good role model for states with no trapping classes. IF a state was forced to have mandatory trapper's ed, it sounds as though the model Bryce described would work best.
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/27/21 10:01 AM
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Not trying to change the antis minds, i know that is hopeless. What i think would be good is to change the way some trappers talk about the total disregard for an animal. It's all about public perception and some on here are not doing us any favors. If the antis got ahold of some of the statements right here on this thread they would have a field day. They wouldn't have to do anything besides put our to the public and we would be our own worst enemy. And some think this is funny.
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/27/21 11:28 AM
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rpmartin did you look at the survey about public opinion? The public thinks trapping hurts the animals. Very logical. The public thinks if you are going to hurt animals trapping them the reason the individual trapper does it better be not be for recreation, making money, or to make fur coats.
So if a trapper puts pictures of a 100 worthless coyotes on the internut, he better not brag how much fun he had or he is own worst enemy.
They need to teach this in those mandatory classes, but they won't.
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/27/21 01:01 PM
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The majority of the public does not believe trapping is more humane because of improvement in traps. HIGHEST APPROVAL RATINGS ON REASONS FOR TRAPPING Ecological reasons 67-90% Damage control reasons 67-77% Food/subsistence reasons 59-84% LOWEST APPROVAL RATINGS Trapping for money, for 15%-43% recreation, or for fur clothingafwa public opinion surveysHere is your real problem. How you going to fix this when it is only getting worse? You're not. The graphs right above the one you typed out says trapping approval went up in all 3 states in 10 years. And the one below says approval also went up because of trap improvements over the last 10 years. Looks to me like thing look better more than worse? Does Connecticut and Indiana have mandatory TE?
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Re: BMP Best management practices
[Re: rpmartin]
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03/27/21 01:14 PM
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Statistically those numbers are relatively the same. What's getting worse is trapping to provide food, shelter, and clothing (subsistence) is disappearing and being replace with the lowest approval category. It will all be replaced with ADC in the end.
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/27/21 02:01 PM
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Imo the ecological question should have been a 2 parts. 2nd question should have been, sense the animal is dead to reduce disease and overpopulation wouldn't it be prudent to utilize the fur to keep people warm in cold climates instead of letting it go to waste? Also shouldn't it be ok to make a few bucks to help offset expenses? Ok maybe a 3 parter. The public needs to know very few trappers make a profit from trapping.
I thought some of those graphs showed a pretty substantial rise in approval ratings. Maybe its just me.
I think the upswing in approval ratings is due to TE and a better understanding of the tools, methods and mentality of our sport.
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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03/27/21 03:12 PM
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Before you get too excited, if I remember right the ecological reasons were more about trapping and transplanting species and conducting studies not the possible wildlife management benefits motivation of trappers.
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Re: BMP Best management practices
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Not trying to change the antis minds, i know that is hopeless. What i think would be good is to change the way some trappers talk about the total disregard for an animal. It's all about public perception and some on here are not doing us any favors. If the antis got ahold of some of the statements right here on this thread they would have a field day. They wouldn't have to do anything besides put our to the public and we would be our own worst enemy. And some think this is funny. Says the guy who said footholds take the legs off coyotes earlier in this thread. Sheesh punkin, with all your hate, i must have really hurt your your feelings bad at one time or another?
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