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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7229359
03/28/21 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I bet one thing is certain. A few countries are paying close attention to the world economic and strategic ramifications of a unusable Suez canal. Also how easy it was to plug it up, and how long to unplug it....


if 2020 and 2021 are a lesson in anything it is that "Just in Time shipping" just isn't in time when you have anything go wrong.


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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7229367
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I was wondering if a few of the big freight helos could start taking the top layer of containers off as the dredging works on the bottom

seems like if a Helo can lift a Tank , it should be able to lift a container and move it to shore and go back for another

a layer or 3 of containers should make it sit a a bit higher

Now I do wonder what is in those containers? Mixed cargo, normal? Who knows, could be full of military cargo? Sure is stacked high.


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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7229377
03/28/21 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I was wondering if a few of the big freight helos could start taking the top layer of containers off



I don't think that is realistic. Even the Sikorsky Sky Cranes can barely handle 20, 000 pounds and that will be much reduced by the temperatures in the area. But even empty, a 40 foot container weighs between 8-9000 pounds. Also, there are very few sky-cranes left in operation.


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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Canvasback2] #7229382
03/28/21 07:28 PM
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Scuttle it right there and go back to shipping around the horn of Africa like in the past.

Last edited by Boco; 03/28/21 07:31 PM.

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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Canvasback2] #7229517
03/28/21 09:37 PM
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Use one of these and see what happens if nothing else it would be fun to watch.

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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Boco] #7229522
03/28/21 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Scuttle it right there and go back to shipping around the horn of Africa like in the past.


They would but its tough to fiddle a 40 foot container through all those rigging lines on a square rigged windjammer


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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7229559
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Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I bet one thing is certain. A few countries are paying close attention to the world economic and strategic ramifications of a unusable Suez canal. Also how easy it was to plug it up, and how long to unplug it....

The HET's (heavy equipment transporters) that I worked on during Desert Storm were delivered via the Suez canal.
I'm quite sure that Iran is viewing this with great interest.


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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Canvasback2] #7229564
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I don't know much about salvaging but it seems to me if it's unloaded the wrong way the hull could crack and that would really jam things up.

Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: rszwieg] #7229603
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Originally Posted by rszwieg
I don't know much about salvaging but it seems to me if it's unloaded the wrong way the hull could crack and that would really jam things up.


Yes there is a loading and unloading plan that has to be followed or it will break up.


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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Scuba1] #7229605
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Originally Posted by rszwieg
I don't know much about salvaging but it seems to me if it's unloaded the wrong way the hull could crack and that would really jam things up.


Yes there is a loading and unloading plan that has to be followed or it will break up.



Scuba; I know that a lot of containers are washed overboard in the Gulf of Alaska. How does the operator compensate for that change in weight distribution while still making headway ?


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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Canvasback2] #7229610
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Its blown out of proportion-the Suez canal has been closed 5 or 6 times at least since it opened.
It was closed for 8 years from 67 to 75 due to wars in the middle east.
It is nothing but a shortcut.


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Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Canvasback2] #7229650
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Liquid such as fuel or ballast water can be moved to change the trim of a vessel. Though it’s not gonna happen as fast as losing a stack of containers smile

Re: Scuba1 : That ship stuck in the Suez Canal... [Re: Canvasback2] #7229697
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She is back afloat now.


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