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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236578
04/06/21 04:41 PM
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A 1% death rate turns into 100% when it’s you. Be safe, my friend.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: charles] #7236589
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Originally Posted by charles
A 1% death rate turns into 100% when it’s you. Be safe, my friend.


No it's still 1% just you became part of that 1% at that point.

A 1% death rate gets much higher when people lose their jobs, business shut down, health problems go untreated when offices are closed and preventive screenings are not gotten.

All because of fear and lack of reason and thinking .

O someone I know died its do scary. I bet you know more people that have died in auto wrecks, medical malpractice and thousands of other causes . But those those you react rationally.

Get your experimental shots and feel all superior. I hope it works out well for you. Myself and many others will take our chances. I don't want to find out latter the long term negative effects will harm me,my kids or grand kids.

I also do not live in fear.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: charles] #7236606
04/06/21 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
A 1% death rate turns into 100% when it’s you. Be safe, my friend.

We all will die charles. Some day. Some how. I get you are scared of what's going on. I understand that and you're not the only one. I won't pick on you or anyone else for it. I however refuse to live my life being afraid. The media made this a lot worse than what it really is. They meant to..... The survival rate is very very high and I'm in the age bracket where I don't need to worry for the most part. I'm more worried about diabetes from all the added sugar in the preservatives in our food than I am about covid.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: charles] #7236651
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Originally Posted by charles
A 94% effective rate means just that. Six out of one hundred people can be expected to contract the virus. We all hope we are among the 94%. For teens, it’s 100% effective. People who refuse the vaccine are 100% susceptible. They have very limited protection.



Who said unvaccinated people are 100% susceptible? Matter of fact who said vaccinated teens are 100% effective, or protected if that is what you mean? What studies reflect your statement? I was directly exposed to covid 19 by 3 employees last summer, in a months time, never got it, never got sick. I am two weeks from my second Moderna shot

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236656
04/06/21 06:52 PM
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From the Lancet

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It is imperative to dispel any ambiguity about how vaccine efficacy shown in trials translates into protecting individuals and populations. The mRNA-based Pfizer1, 2 and Moderna3 vaccines were shown to have 94–95% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, calculated as

100x(1 minus the attack rate with vaccine divided by the attack rate with placebo).

It means that in a population such as the one enrolled in the trials, with a cumulated COVID-19 attack rate over a period of 3 months of about 1% without a vaccine, we would expect roughly 0·05% of vaccinated people would get diseased. It does not mean that 95% of people are protected from disease with the vaccine—a general misconception of vaccine protection also found in a Lancet Infectious Diseases Editorial.4 In the examples used in the Editorial, those protected are those who would have become diseased with COVID-19 had they not been vaccinated. This distinction is all the more important as, although we know the risk reduction achieved by these vaccines under trial conditions, we do not know whether and how it could vary if the vaccines were deployed on populations with different exposures, transmission levels, and attack rates.


Simple mathematics helps. If we vaccinated a population of 100000 and protected 95% of them, that would leave 5000 individuals diseased over 3 months, which is almost the current overall COVID-19 case rate in the UK. Rather, a 95% vaccine efficacy means that instead of 1000 COVID-19 cases in a population of 100000 without vaccine (from the placebo arm of the abovementioned trials, approximately 1% would be ill with COVID-19 and 99% would not) we would expect 50 cases (99·95% of the population is disease-free, at least for 3 months).
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Accurate description of effects is not hair-splitting; it is much-needed exactness to avoid adding confusion to an extraordinarily complicated and tense scientific and societal debate around COVID-19 vaccines.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236662
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I am really starting to think the seasonal flu and having underlying health problems, is more deadly than Covid 19. And diagnosed as Covid 19 when it was the flu. I made final arrangements for a aunt that passed in a Michigan nursing home April 8 2020. Death certificate said cause was Covid, no covid test, no autopsy. She had flu twice in 2019 almost passing. I questioned nursing home staff, and Dr. that pronounced death. Dr. never ever seen my aunt, just declared death time and cause based on what nursing home staff said and a remote EKG print from EMT's She was 85 years old and had several years of bad lung problems. I was mad as heck for a while, then just decided to let her rest in peace...


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: charles] #7236706
04/06/21 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
My wife’s sister road in a car for an hour with three other girls. Someone had the virus. All four got Covid. One died, another gave it to her daughter and grandkids.

Unvaccinated people who have not had Covid, have no immunity. I think they are at a greater risk, don’t you?


The sentence in bold, is just absolutely false. The common cold can produce immunity.

https://bgr.com/2020/08/07/coronavirus-immunity-study-common-cold-t-cell-response-5862460/

The question people should be asking but for some reason refuse to even consider it is this.....how many of the people who are in hospitals with severe cases of covid have been given ivermectin?? Thats the question that should concern people. The science is in, ivermectin works. It saves lives, and if used before you get covid, you wont get covid period. Studies show it gives 100% protection. So when Boco says Ontario is doing such a great job I disagree. I heard on the news today that 498 people in Ontario are currently in the ICU there. How many have been given ivermectin??? Zero would be my guess.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236710
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In recent months, a number of scientific studies have found that some people have immune systems with cells that are tailored to fight the coronavirus despite having never been exposed to it.

The likely explanation is found in a special cell in the human immune system known as a T cell. T cells are a type of white blood cell that help regulate the immune system's response to a pathogen such as the coronavirus. One type of T cell is CD8+, and it attacks and kills cells in the body that are infected with a pathogen. Another type is CD4+, and it is a “helper” cell that assists other cells in the immune system.

After the body fights off a pathogen, the immune system retains some of the T cells as “memory cells.” If the pathogen returns, the memory cells can give the body a jump in fighting it.

It is possible that some people have T cells that are primed to fight the coronavirus even though they have never been infected with it. These are “cross-reactive” T cells, ones that can fight more than one pathogen.

At least six studies have found cross-reactive T cells that target the coronavirus in individuals with no known exposure to the virus. A study in the journal Cell examined blood samples taken in the United States from 2015 to 2018, well before the coronavirus appeared. About 50% of the samples had cross-reactive T cells that targeted the coronavirus. Studies in Germany, Singapore, Sweden, and the United Kingdom likewise found cross-reactive T cells in people who had not been exposed to the coronavirus. Another study in Nature found cross-reactive T cells in people that had been exposed to SARS virus back in 2003, suggesting that the SARS virus may have primed the T cells.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7236859
04/06/21 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
You better practice what you preach fool.
Maybe try to learn what it means to be a christian.


Triggered easily. Christian is spelled with a capital C because when we are in the family of God we take on Christ's name. It does not mean we are perfect. Just forgiven. I fail daily but that does not mean I do not know him or that he walks away from me. It allows me to see through people who would try to define me. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236877
04/06/21 10:36 PM
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Right back at ya! A lot of people have seen through you.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7236953
04/07/21 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Right back at ya! A lot of people have seen through you.


I'm sorry your so miserable. Sadly you don't even realize it.
I will pray for you Baco

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236956
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Miserable?I'm as happy as Larry,lol.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237041
04/07/21 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Miserable?I'm as happy as Larry,lol.


How about your joy boco? Do you know what I am asking? You waste your time with your shallow but petty comments toward me. You do not know me. If you did you would feel like the fool you appear to be. As for others you talk of I am sure there are a few in the crowd. You must camp out all day waiting for me to respond to your drivel. Oh well have a day you deserve. LLL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237531
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Not sure why the Canadian Troll continues to be fed.....His behavior and name calling here is pretty much sanctioned, not sure why, but it's not my site. It's my choice to be here, have to just accept it. In my daily life I would not.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237540
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I only respond to you anti Canadian jerks.I dont take that in real life either.
You wont get away with attacking without getting a response.
If you care to read back you will see who started it.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237541
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Originally Posted by Boco
I only respond to you anti Canadian jerks.I dont take that in real life either.
You wont get away with attacking without getting a response.
If you care to read back you will see who started it.


what a load of crap..


Trump won....
Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237546
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Truth.There arent too many but the same few.
I;m good buddies with lots on here and we can joke around and have a good laugh.
Always a few ejits that play the nationality card or call names.-I'm up for it,dont bother me.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237712
04/07/21 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
I only respond to you anti Canadian jerks.I dont take that in real life either.
You wont get away with attacking without getting a response.
If you care to read back you will see who started it.


Well I took a look like you said. Just from page 6 this is what I saw. This is what you called anyone that disagreed with you. Weirdo, baffoon, wingnut (4 times),tin hatters, yankee tin hatters, phoney, fools, retards, anti Canadian jerks and ejits.

Maybe in the outback it is ok to speak of others that way. Maybe you do not even notice you do this. Maybe we judge you for what you type. I think you are a hypocrite and a fool who speaks of things, places, events and others as he sees it through his tiny little life with very little outside influence and experience other than what yo read on the computer or that your government tells you to think. I also do not think you are very happy with who you are. I get that from how you address everyone and every subject. It is not that I follow you but rather enjoy the study of how some people function. You are one to study to see what went wrong. LLL


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You started it-Called me despicable -I gave it right back buster.You despise me-I like that from the likes of you.Makes me proud.
I have travelled lived and worked all over the world during my life.
Your take on me is way off.
And my take on you is spot on with your phony christianity.
You wouldn't despise over half your countrymen and call people despicable just because they dont think like you if you were anywhere near christian.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237732
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No I said I despise you but you had attacked several before that. Take your own advice. You are out matched here with me boco. LLL


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