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Covid shots Maderna #7230240
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Anybody know the real facts about the Maderna shots..... Scheduled for #1 Apr 6 , then the booster shot not 2 weeks later, but in July ( 4 months later).

My question is by the time July rolls around will the booster be worthwhile or will the "protection" of #1 shot be long gone ,negating the affect of the booster.

#2 question-- does the #1 shot provide any protection by itself ?

Thanks

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230243
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Got one a week ago-next one in July also.Normal time period between shots.
Doctor told me first shot will give protection-second shot booster for more protection and against variant/mutations.
Said will be safe to travel unrestricted after second shot even though we are older..

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230248
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4 week time period between them here. Seems that is the time period I have always heard--not 4 months.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230255
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Got the Moderna shot a week ago Friday, next shot 3 weeks now.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230259
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Dont plan anything special within 48hrs of the second shot

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230263
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My wife had both of her Moderna, she ran a slight fever the day after,but other than that she has had no problems. I get my second one in 11 days.
Tom


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230264
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Originally Posted by Boco
Got one a week ago-next one in July also.Normal time period between shots.
Doctor told me first shot will give protection-second shot booster for more protection and against variant/mutations.
Said will be safe to travel unrestricted after second shot even though we are older..


Wish your doctor was in charge up here. They are giving the Moderna shot here and the Government appointed doctors still say you cant travel even after getting it. Over 34,000 people in Yukon have been vaccinated now, ( thats almost everyone BTW) yet strangely we are having another outbreak. Thats obviously debatable since anyone with an IQ above 5 knows by now that the tests are an expensive joke. The Liberals originally said once 75% of the population was vaccinated the restrictions would be lifted. That was obviously a lie because we are still locked down tighter than a bear proof steel drum. I guess the real question is what is the end game? What do we have to do to get our lives back?

They are also telling people that they can still get covid, and still pass it on after getting vaccinated. Do you think your doctor is wrong? Maybe our Government doctor is wrong? Maybe they are confused? I know Im confused. They cant even keep their stories straight. One thing has become clear though, this will only end when enough people see the light and say enough. The government is not going to relinquish the absolute control they have over the masses easily.

You might want to have that awesome doctor of yours read this since he doesnt seem to know that the "normal" time between the Moderna vaccine is 28 days....not 3-months....

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Moderna.html

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230268
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Won't keep you from getting the virus, might lessen the affects of it. Doctor today was talking about people under 70 with no health issue's not taking them as they are experimental and no one has a clue what the long term effects of them might be vs getting a virus you have a 99.5 percent chance of surviving.

Been ALOT of strange stuff gone on behind the scene's with this virus, best i can tell globally they wanted to lower the world population, probably some grand climate change scheme. At any rate drugs that work/worked were banned all over the place and all of these experimental drugs are being pushed like they are the saving grace. I imagine in time more will die from these supposed 'vaccines' than will die from the virus itself.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230269
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Crampy I don't know much about it but can tell you here it's usually 2-4 weeks between shots. My good friends dad and mom got the first one then was scheduled for the 2nd one 3 weeks later. A couple days before their second shot they both got sick and tested positive. His dad was in great health for 78 years old and his mother not so much. But his father became very sick and died a week later but his mother didn't get very sick. The doctor told them that it hadn't had time to start working before the contracted it. This was a man that had 400 head of cattle and worked 12 hours a day

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230276
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The second shot is the tough one the Wife got that shot a rough couple days, I got the J&J shot just a sore arm for a week nothing major just annoying. 4 weeks apart for the 2nd shot.

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Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Won't keep you from getting the virus, might lessen the affects of it. Doctor today was talking about people under 70 with no health issue's not taking them as they are experimental and no one has a clue what the long term effects of them might be vs getting a virus you have a 99.5 percent chance of surviving.

Been ALOT of strange stuff gone on behind the scene's with this virus, best i can tell globally they wanted to lower the world population, probably some grand climate change scheme. At any rate drugs that work/worked were banned all over the place and all of these experimental drugs are being pushed like they are the saving grace. I imagine in time more will die from these supposed 'vaccines' than will die from the virus itself.




I feel great after the first shot a week ago-cant wait to get the second one-its supposed to strengthen your DNA.
Only thing I noticed when I got mad the other day my skin took on a green tinge and a couple buttons popped on my shirt.

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My wife and I were both told 28 days for the Moderna shot. I think the Pfizer is a little less.

They told me to expect more effects from the second one. The first one I only got a slight headache. My wife got pretty sick from her first one. The doctor told her that it was because she had a worse case of COVID in November than I did and with her immuno-compromised state her body really crank the antibodies up to fight it off with the shot. It really showed her MS symptoms. He told her she didn't need the second shot because she was probably good to go. She's going to get it just because of going to visit her mom in the nursing home and needs the full vaccination record. He gave her a prescription for steroids which took of the MS type symptoms after the first shot.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230280
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Odd that we are 4 weeks apart here in the states and Canada is several months apart.
Is it an availability problem?
Tom


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7230285
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Won't keep you from getting the virus, might lessen the affects of it. Doctor today was talking about people under 70 with no health issue's not taking them as they are experimental and no one has a clue what the long term effects of them might be vs getting a virus you have a 99.5 percent chance of surviving.

Been ALOT of strange stuff gone on behind the scene's with this virus, best i can tell globally they wanted to lower the world population, probably some grand climate change scheme. At any rate drugs that work/worked were banned all over the place and all of these experimental drugs are being pushed like they are the saving grace. I imagine in time more will die from these supposed 'vaccines' than will die from the virus itself.




I feel great after the first shot a week ago-cant wait to get the second one-its supposed to strengthen your DNA.
Only thing I noticed when I got mad the other day my skin took on a green tinge and a couple buttons popped on my shirt.

Buttons around the waist or chest? I know steroids can lead to the chest buttons popping.

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Check out the video from Dr. Sherri Tenpenny on the vaccine if you get the chance before it is scrubbed from the internet.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230295
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grampy asked a serious question,it would be nice if you saved the crappy retorts for a post of your own.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230312
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Read the link I posted. The CDC says 28-days apart, not 3-months. No disrespect meant to anyone, but I just cant wrap my mind around how willing people are to line up for this stuff without looking into it themselves. When doctors tell patients its 'normal' to wait 4-months between shots, they are lying. In Canada they are doing it because they are having a hard time getting enough. I havent heard that its any more dangerous to wait 4-months between shots, but thats not what the company that made the vaccine recommended.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230321
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Everything I had read was 4 weeks,never heard months between till this post.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Bogmaster] #7230326
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Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Everything I had read was 4 weeks,never heard months between till this post.
Tom


Same here.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230337
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The OP asked about Moderna - there is typically a four week wait time. The second shot for me was no big deal and I continued on with my life as normal - up at 4:30 worked a 10 hour day, went for a two mile walk. The people I have talked to - 50/50 on having a easy recovery after the second shot.

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Wife and I have both had the maderna shoot , all good with both shots.


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According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.

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I just had my first shot of Maderna last Thursday and my second is scheduled April 22nd. I had Covid back in September and my reaction to the first shot was achy joints and fatigue but it only lasted about 1.5 days. I was told that because I've already had covid that my covid antibodies react more than people who have never had covid. If that's the case, I'm not real excited about the next dose but I certainly wouldn't miss it. I'd rather have some reaction from the shot than to get it again. The after effects from covid lasted for months so I can handle a couple days of being slightly ill. I haven't heard of anyone in this area that has had to wait months between doses and I think I'd seriously question your doctor.


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Thanks guys for all your inputs.. Clears the air a bit for me.
I suspect the reason for the delay of the booster is due to lack of supply .

And you thought Biden was bad, look what we got !

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Originally Posted by grampy
Thanks guys for all your inputs.. Clears the air a bit for me.
I suspect the reason for the delay of the booster is due to lack of supply .

And you thought Biden was bad, look what we got !


I think we are neck and neck on the badness part.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Won't keep you from getting the virus, might lessen the affects of it. Doctor today was talking about people under 70 with no health issue's not taking them as they are experimental and no one has a clue what the long term effects of them might be vs getting a virus you have a 99.5 percent chance of surviving.

Been ALOT of strange stuff gone on behind the scene's with this virus, best i can tell globally they wanted to lower the world population, probably some grand climate change scheme. At any rate drugs that work/worked were banned all over the place and all of these experimental drugs are being pushed like they are the saving grace. I imagine in time more will die from these supposed 'vaccines' than will die from the virus itself.




I feel great after the first shot a week ago-cant wait to get the second one-its supposed to strengthen your DNA.
Only thing I noticed when I got mad the other day my skin took on a green tinge and a couple buttons popped on my shirt.


Sounds like giardia. Better lay off that swamp water


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I get my second shot on Friday. First shot was a piece of cake.


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They should have our vaccine passports ready when we get our second shot also.

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Current guidelines are 28 days as previously stated. All the studies were at 28 days. There was some availability issues when Texas had the big freeze and Fedex shut down for a week. So the 28 days was relaxed a little and if needed you can stretch it out to 6 weeks between doses. The first dose is about 65% effective after the second it bumps up to 95%. I have heard of some countries holding off on the second dose to have at least one dose for all of their citizens. I donít think anyone knows how effective it is if you wait several months between doses.

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Its good for 4 months-got my date for second shot like everyone else-in july.Stronger immune response the longer you go between shots according to science.Also allows for faster herd immunity.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Its good for 4 months-got my date for second shot like everyone else-in july.Stronger immune response the longer you go between shots according to science.Also allows for faster herd immunity.


Source of this propaganda please. LLL


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Originally Posted by yousowise
Current guidelines are 28 days as previously stated. All the studies were at 28 days. There was some availability issues when Texas had the big freeze and Fedex shut down for a week. So the 28 days was relaxed a little and if needed you can stretch it out to 6 weeks between doses. The first dose is about 65% effective after the second it bumps up to 95%. I have heard of some countries holding off on the second dose to have at least one dose for all of their citizens. I donít think anyone knows how effective it is if you wait several months between doses.

65% and 95% effective at what?? I have not heard it will stop you from catching or spreading CV-19. I will admit it make a lot of people feel safe .


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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Boco
Its good for 4 months-got my date for second shot like everyone else-in july.Stronger immune response the longer you go between shots according to science.Also allows for faster herd immunity.


Source of this propaganda please. LLL


Not propaganda-straight from NACI

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Boco said,
"I feel great after the first shot a week ago-cant wait to get the second one-its supposed to strengthen your DNA.
Only thing I noticed when I got mad the other day my skin took on a green tinge and a couple buttons popped on my shirt."[/quote]

I hope you are only joking about that.....right??
If not I want to see the science (fiction) behind that assertion.

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Relax I'm just starting another conspiracy theory to see how far it will go.

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I had my first shot Feb 2nd and my 2nd shot March 3rd, exactly 4 weeks later. First one was nothing but a sore shoulder, the 2nd I had chills, aches, tiredness etc. for 2-3 days.

Bryce

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Moderna is 4 weeks between shots. Pfizer is 3 weeks. J&J is one and done.

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I got my 2nd shot yesterday, 27 days from the 1st. They had to move the clinic up one day for the people administering it. Feel fine this morning, just a sore shoulder. Sore shoulder and a little ache across my back after the first dose for 36 hours. I did have Covid in December with very mild symptoms, not sure how that will affect how I feel/react to this dose. Vaccine seems to affect people as widely different as the virus does.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Not propaganda-straight from NACI


Here is how to transfer information from what you read on the internet.

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You can also do this same routine by highlighting the website address (www.whatever.com).

People are not going to go looking on an entire website for your cited information. It is the equivalent of saying "it's right there in those encyclopedias". If you cite your info directly and let people see what you have read, it makes the conversation much more legitimate. Otherwise, you might as well start out with "They say....."


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Originally Posted by Boco
Its good for 4 months-got my date for second shot like everyone else-in july.Stronger immune response the longer you go between shots according to science.Also allows for faster herd immunity.


If this is true why arent the doctors waiting for 4 months for everyone?? Or did you hear this on CNN?



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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by yousowise
Current guidelines are 28 days as previously stated. All the studies were at 28 days. There was some availability issues when Texas had the big freeze and Fedex shut down for a week. So the 28 days was relaxed a little and if needed you can stretch it out to 6 weeks between doses. The first dose is about 65% effective after the second it bumps up to 95%. I have heard of some countries holding off on the second dose to have at least one dose for all of their citizens. I donít think anyone knows how effective it is if you wait several months between doses.

65% and 95% effective at what?? I have not heard it will stop you from catching or spreading CV-19. I will admit it make a lot of people feel safe .


Both Moderna and Pfizers shots have an effacy rate of around 95% after the second shot. It takes about 2 weeks after the 2nd shot to for your immune system to build up the need antibodies to reach it though. So after your second shot you still can get and spread it. The rates of infection fall off the longer out you go from the 2nd shot.
Moderna has a higher rate after the first shot than Pfizer. M= about 75-80%. Pfizer is about 55% after the first shot.

Of course like with any vaccine out there, there are going to be people who just can't build up the antibodies needed to become immune. I got my Hep. A/B vaccines early on in life. When I developed liver disease they checked all the antibody levels for stuff that I should've been vaccinated for to help prevent it. It was found that I had none for Hep A/B. I went through the series of 3 shots again for it. I was tested for the antibodies for the following 3 years every 3 months and never built up the antibodies.

When I inquired about it they said there are people who just can't build up the antibodies.
I did show up as having stuff for Hep C and they figured I had contracted it around 20 years old and my body fought it off. They did want me to participate in a study where they would basically try to give me Hep C, and see if my body fought it off. I did a hard pass on that because they couldn't say with even 80% certainty that the medicine they had to get rid of it would even work. If it would've been above 97% I probably would've done it. The only good thing about it was they told me if I did participate and my liver started to fail I would've been at the top of the list and a transplant would've been free and all follow up care/medicines would've been free as well.


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Here is the info you speak of boco.

Based on emerging evidence of the protection provided by the first dose of a two dose series for COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized in Canada, NACI recommends that in the context of limited COVID-19 vaccine supply jurisdictions should maximize the number of individuals benefiting from the first dose of vaccine by extending the second dose of COVID-19 vaccine up to four months after the first. NACI will continue to monitor the evidence on effectiveness of an extended dose interval and will adjust recommendations as needed. (Strong NACI Recommendation)

In addition to emerging population-based data, this recommendation is based on expert opinion and the public health principles of equity, ethics, accessibility, feasibility, immunological vaccine principles, and the perspective that, within a global pandemic setting, reducing the risk of severe disease outcomes at the population-level will have the greatest impact. Current evidence suggests high vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease and hospitalization for several weeks after the first dose, including among older populations.
This recommendation applies to all COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized for use in Canada.
In situations where informed consent included assumptions about second dose timing, jurisdictions may consider offering second doses at shorter intervals for those who provided consent for the vaccine series prior to this recommendation.
The vaccine effectiveness of the first dose will be monitored closely and the decision to delay the second dose will be continuously assessed based on surveillance and effectiveness data and post-implementation study designs. Effectiveness against variants of concern will also be monitored closely, and recommendations may need to be revised.

In essence, it says we don't have enough vaccine for everyone, so we are giving out more single dose vaccine to give some immunity to all people who will take any vaccine. We are delaying the second dose based on a best guess and hope we are not wrong. If you are willing to take a chance we will give you one shot and give you the second shot four months later when we get more supply. We will keep an eye on how things are turning out as we go. We can change these recommendations at any time if this doesn't work.

You and all your compadres are being guinea pigs. Like it or not. I cannot find any information confirming a better immune response with a 4 month gap between shots instead of 4 week gap as recommended by the manufacturers.

Don't get mad at me. This is your government doing this. I am just pointing out the information you stated was so credible.


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Mine were 4 weeks apart.


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Upon further reading boco.

While studies have not yet collected four months of data on effectiveness of the first dose, the first two months of population-based effectiveness data are showing sustained and high levels of protection. These data include studies in health care workers, long term care residents, elderly populations and the general public. While this is somewhat lower than the efficacy demonstrated after one dose in clinical trials, it is important to note that vaccine effectiveness in a general population setting is typically lower than efficacy from the controlled setting of a clinical trial, and this is expected to be the case after series completion as well.

I don't know who is telling you everything looks good up to four months, but if they are telling you that, they are lying to your face.

If you would just read some information and educate yourself, you would see there are too many variables out there to make a decision.

But if you are willing to accept the lies you have been told and be a human guinea pig, more power to you. I will watch and see how things turn out for those who choose to go this route. Hopefully, nothing.


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I don't see anything about strengthening DNA ether. Me and my wife both got our Moderna shots, they were spaced two weeks apart.

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Originally Posted by Boco
According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.

What "other" vaccines ? What is within reason?
I'd make the argument according to data most "Other" vaccines need a booster in 3 to 6 weeks at that point a booster every 1,5 or 10 yrs should suffice. If the 2nd shot isn't given within that time frame most "other" vaccines require the initial series to be restarted according to data.
Prior to 3 week I'll give it you.

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Originally Posted by teepee2
I don't see anything about strengthening DNA ether. Me and my wife both got our Moderna shots, they were spaced two weeks apart.

What's this about strengthening DNA? That's not how the vaccines work.

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So basically Canada is going against what the limited studies have shown and are giving a little extra in the first dose and hoping and praying it works out good for them?


I'm ok with being a guinea pig for this by going by what the studies have shown so far. I've been one before. If it can help with the actual implementation and gather real data (good or bad causes) then I'm all for it. I'm not afraid of it. I told my wife that if I die or go into some sort of coma, or the like within 4 months of the second shot then give me to science to figure out what the heck they can do better.

I wouldn't do what Canada want me to do though.


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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝

What's this about strengthening DNA? That's not how the vaccines work.


This is what Boco said earlier.
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I feel great after the first shot a week ago-cant wait to get the second one-its supposed to strengthen your DNA.
Only thing I noticed when I got mad the other day my skin took on a green tinge and a couple buttons popped on my shirt.


Not sure where he is getting that info though.


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One would hope he meant "strengthen the immune system". You can strengthen and train your immune system. You cant "strengthen" DNA. Modify or damage it, certainly but not strengthen it. It's fairly fragile but you can't strengthen it.

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Originally Posted by ccoyote
Originally Posted by Boco
According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.

What "other" vaccines ? What is within reason?
I'd make the argument according to data most "Other" vaccines need a booster in 3 to 6 weeks at that point a booster every 1,5 or 10 yrs should suffice. If the 2nd shot isn't given within that time frame most "other" vaccines require the initial series to be restarted according to data.
Prior to 3 week I'll give it you.


And this is what some people don't understand.

This vaccine was made an entirely new way that vaccines have never been manufactured before. Comparing this vaccine to ANY OTHER vaccine is not a comparison. It is like comparing a herd of zebra (all vaccines made in the traditional method) to one three toed sloth (mRNA method). They are all animals but one is completely and totally different.


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So many ideas you should of said some cannot even understand the basic ideas. LOL


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Originally Posted by Boco
According to known data on other vaccines,longer time(within reason) between the initial shot and the booster produces a stronger immune response in the long run.



Listened to a spokesman from maderna say the same. His statement was 3 weeks is the very minimum but the longer between the better. Gives your body enough time to produce something ?

Heard that on Fox Goldnut.

After a quick Google, I see they are recommending 28 day wait between shots for moderna now.

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I have a very cynical attitude towards this Gov't and don't believe a word they say. I don't believe a person could sink any lower than our dipsxxt leader.

Having vented ,I believe I will take my shot in Apr. I am 75yrs old and on the offhand chance I get this covid and the affects on my body could be less I'll gamble this time.
You guys are right about the guinea pig thing.Imo

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Get the J&J one and done just a sore arm nothing more easier all around.


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Jerry,I would have gone with the JandJ,but we pretty much had to go with what was available. As it is I am getting my Moderna in Wisconsin,every time I tried to get it lined up in Mn,everything was full. I was really surprised how well things went for my wife.With the way her health is,we expected the second Moderna to be real rough on her,but it wasn't.
Hippie,I think Moderna always recommended 28 days between shots.
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I waited and the word got out that the local hospital received the J&J stuff it worked out luckily for me that way. The wife got the Maderna the first chance she had Iím just saying get what you can if needed, I waited because Iím out trapping little contact with people where Iím trapping.

I have no problem with the ones not getting the shots their choice itís just to bad they have problems with the ones getting the shots. LOL


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Originally Posted by Boco
Relax I'm just starting another conspiracy theory to see how far it will go.


U didn't tell them it was the buttons around yr belly!! laugh


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If waiting a bit longer for my second shot means more people can get their first shot and my immune response will be stronger,as per the NCI reccomendations I am all for it-a good call on their part.
Unlike a lot of people I am not scared of anything.

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
I waited and the word got out that the local hospital received the J&J stuff it worked out luckily for me that way. The wife got the Maderna the first chance she had Iím just saying get what you can if needed, I waited because Iím out trapping little contact with people where Iím trapping.

I have no problem with the ones not getting the shots their choice itís just to bad they have problems with the ones getting the shots. LOL


Actually those not getting the shots feel the same way you do.

Something else to consider. Why is it when you see someone on TV/MSM, they are speaking from one side of the issue. I don't see Harvard professors (of which there are some) who don't agree with what is being said about the experimental vaccine. I don't see debates on ANY show between opposing scientific views.

I do see when people speak out against the mantra of the MSM they are labeled as kooks or removed from easy view. Why are they not having a scientific debate or discussion? Usually when someone on one side of an issue starts calling the other names, it means their point of view has no merit or is weak at best. If any of us point out a fact or another point of view, we become the "James" of this site.

I just pointed to the actual incorrect facts that boco stated using his NACI data he said existed. Was it wrong of me to point out how factually incorrect that statement was? The data on covid is rolling like a goal post on a dragster. It takes active participation to try and come to some sensible point of view. I personally DESPISE the DECEIT that is being perpetuated purposely about this experimental vaccine.

I would like to see anyone point to an interview on any American MSM site that speaks to the efficacy of natural immunity of people who recovered from a covid infection. Please find it and prove me wrong. What you will hear if that point of view comes up is "we don't have enough data". Seriously???? If science were to examine and take an active role in doing an analysis of this side of the immunity issue, they would actually have MORE data than they do on the experimental vaccine. People were getting covid from March forward in 2020. Millions of people had the virus before the experimental vaccine was released in November 2020. There would be magnitudes more evidence just due to the potential evidence population but NO ONE is taking that route. That route is just as valid of a scientific route as was developing this experimental vaccine but for some reason it is not being objectively investigated. I know why. They give a number on how long the experimental vaccine is effective but they throw their hands up and shrug their shoulders when speaking on the subject of natural immunity even though people have had natural immunity longer than the vaccine has been created. But even after suggesting this, there are a lot on here that will poo poo this suggestion and wave their hand at it and roll up their sleeves. If this gives you no pause, at least a little maybe, then I wish you luck and sincerely hope you have zero side effects.

So you see, your problem is going full steam from both sides. Good luck with your shot and I sincerely hope you have zero side effects.


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Originally Posted by Boco
If waiting a bit longer for my second shot means more people can get their first shot and my immune response will be stronger,as per the NCI reccomendations I am all for it-a good call on their part.
Unlike a lot of people I am not scared of anything.


You did read they could change their mind at any time because the data is too small, correct? They reserved the right to be wrong.

In other words, they don't know what they don't know.

I will agree the writing straddles the fence in trying to be optimistic and hopeful but unsure of the outcome. Thanks for being willing to be the test subject. You are very brave.


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BOCO you guys shoulda just listened to reason in 1812 then you wouldn't be under crazy lockdown and vaccine health care rationing. Well unless you ended up in Michigan or California.


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Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Jerry,I would have gone with the JandJ,but we pretty much had to go with what was available. As it is I am getting my Moderna in Wisconsin,every time I tried to get it lined up in Mn,everything was full. I was really surprised how well things went for my wife.With the way her health is,we expected the second Moderna to be real rough on her,but it wasn't.
Hippie,I think Moderna always recommended 28 days between shots.
Tom


Didn't know that, thanks Bog.

I think certain people should get it, while for myself I'm gonna hold off a year or more simply because I think I could shake it (covid) if I did get it and the vaccine hasn't been tested for any period of time for side effects. If I was in the danger category, I'd get a shot.

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Originally Posted by Boco
If waiting a bit longer for my second shot means more people can get their first shot and my immune response will be stronger,as per the NCI reccomendations I am all for it-a good call on their part.
Unlike a lot of people I am not scared of anything.


You mean unlike most liberals who listen to the main left media that are scared of their own shadow right? It has not even been four months for them to collect the data but you are fine with what your gov. will tell you?

When you say things that cannot be backed up by any science but you tell everyone what you want them to know to control them that is propaganda. Sorry to break that to you but you are blindly following people who admittedly do not know and have continually been wrong in the past on this virus. LLL


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A front-page article appeared in the FranceSoir newspaper about findings on the Nakim website regarding what some experts are calling "the high mortality caused by the vaccine."

The paper interviews Aix-Marseille University Faculty of Medicine Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases Unit's Dr. Hervť Seligmann and engineer Haim Yativ about their research and data analysis. They claim that Pfizer's shot causes "mortality hundreds of times greater in young people compared to mortality from coronavirus without the vaccine, and dozens of times more in the elderly, when the documented mortality from coronavirus is in the vicinity of the vaccine dose, thus adding greater mortality from heart attack, stroke, etc."

Dr Hervť Seligmann works at the Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases Research Unit, Faculty of Medicine, Aix-Marseille University, Marseille, France. He is of Israeli-Luxembourg nationality. He has a B. Sc. In Biology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and has written over 100 scientific publications.


FranceSoir writes that they follow publications, data analyzes, and feedback from various countries on vaccination, and have therefore taken an interest in the Nakim article, asking to interview them in order to understand their analysis and its limitations.

The authors of the article declare they have no conflicts or interests other than having children in Israel.

After a presentation, the authors discussed their data analysis, the validations carried out, limitations, and above all, their conclusions that they compare with data received via a Health Ministry Freedom of Information Act request.

Their findings are:

There is a mismatch between the data published by the authorities and the reality on the ground.
They have three sources of information, besides the emails and adverse event reports they receive through the Internet. These three sources are Israeli news site Ynet, the Israeli Health Ministry database, and the U.S. federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.
In January 2021, there were 3,000 records of vaccine adverse events, including 2,900 for mRNA vaccines.
Compared to other years, mortality is 40 times higher.
On February 11, a Ynet article presented data related to vaccination. The authors of the Nakim article claim to have debunked this analysis based on data published by Ynet itself: ďWe took the data by looking at mortality during the vaccination period, which spans 5 weeks. By analyzing these data, we arrived at startling figures that attribute significant mortality to the vaccine."
The authors say ďvaccinations have caused more deaths than the coronavirus would have caused during the same period."
Haim Yativ and Dr. Seligmann declare that for them, "this is a new Holocaust," in face of Israeli authority pressure to vaccinate citizens.
They also invite specialists to complete their analyses, and intend to pursue legal follow-up to their discovery. The Health Ministry was not available for comment on a FranceSoir query regarding the findings.

The authors also deplored "the fact of not being able to communicate on this vital information" to their fellow citizens.

On their site, Nakim writes: "On February 11, 2021, Ynet (the most known Israeli News website) published a confused and confusing article entitled 'Vaccination efficiency data in Israel, and its rapid effects on the young'.

"Our reanalyses of these data explain why during the massive vaccination project initiated mid-December 2020 during a confinement, daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases failed to decrease as they do during confinements, and, more importantly, why numbers of serious, critical, and death cases increased during that period that covered at least one month. From mid-December to mid-February (two months), 2,337 among all Israeli 5,351 official COVID-deaths occurred. Our analyses indicate orders of magnitude increases in deaths rates during the 5-week long vaccination process, as compared to the unvaccinated and those after completing the vaccination process. Presumably, asymptomatic cases before vaccination, and those infected shortly after the 1st dose, tend to develop graver symptoms than those unvaccinated.

"The Ynet article is organized in an exciting way and uses data provided in an erroneous way by the Ministry of Health. It is unclear whether this was intentional to prove the vaccine's efficiency or if this was done erroneously because the provided data were misunderstood. Note that in Israel, all vaccines are from Pfizer.

"The data in the table, rather than indicating the vaccine efficacy, indicate the vaccine's adverse effects," the authors conclude.

Sources:

http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/viewtopic.php?t=270812

https://www.francesoir.fr/videos-de...fres-de-mortalite-qui-interpellent-video


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Jtrapper] #7230770
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Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Won't keep you from getting the virus, might lessen the affects of it. Doctor today was talking about people under 70 with no health issue's not taking them as they are experimental and no one has a clue what the long term effects of them might be vs getting a virus you have a 99.5 percent chance of surviving.

Been ALOT of strange stuff gone on behind the scene's with this virus, best i can tell globally they wanted to lower the world population, probably some grand climate change scheme. At any rate drugs that work/worked were banned all over the place and all of these experimental drugs are being pushed like they are the saving grace. I imagine in time more will die from these supposed 'vaccines' than will die from the virus itself.


True. The "vaccine" won't prevent you from still becoming infected with the virus, but it won't quite as severe and your chances of surviving it are better, supposedly. Plus, you can infect others with the virus if you are positive for the virus. You will still have to wear a mask and practice social distancing.

If you look on the internet, you will find doctors in other countries that are still claiming 100% cure rates on patients who had the virus using hydroxychloroquine. I've also seen some curing it with Ivermectin. Because these are fairly inexpensive drugs, there's not enough profit in using them in the US. So, instead they have invented these more profitable drugs.


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I got mine in January and February. No trouble at all.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Trapper7] #7230934
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Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Won't keep you from getting the virus, might lessen the affects of it. Doctor today was talking about people under 70 with no health issue's not taking them as they are experimental and no one has a clue what the long term effects of them might be vs getting a virus you have a 99.5 percent chance of surviving.

Been ALOT of strange stuff gone on behind the scene's with this virus, best i can tell globally they wanted to lower the world population, probably some grand climate change scheme. At any rate drugs that work/worked were banned all over the place and all of these experimental drugs are being pushed like they are the saving grace. I imagine in time more will die from these supposed 'vaccines' than will die from the virus itself.


True. The "vaccine" won't prevent you from still becoming infected with the virus, but it won't quite as severe and your chances of surviving it are better, supposedly. Plus, you can infect others with the virus if you are positive for the virus. You will still have to wear a mask and practice social distancing.

If you look on the internet, you will find doctors in other countries that are still claiming 100% cure rates on patients who had the virus using hydroxychloroquine. I've also seen some curing it with Ivermectin. Because these are fairly inexpensive drugs, there's not enough profit in using them in the US. So, instead they have invented these more profitable drugs.



My chances of surviving it are at 100% already. The survival rate among all the population including the old and infirm are at 98.46%.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230941
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Usually when drug companies or Doctors say ďthe benefits far out weigh the riskĒ. They are vary rarely talking about the benefits to you. When they are talking about the risk to you, you should be the one deciding whatís acceptable.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7230946
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I don't have a problem with ANYONE getting a shot if that's what they want, grampy is 75 so id get it too if i were him, those with health problems id get it also BUT now they are wanting to do trials on kids? Kids?

For whatever reason this virus isn't a major threat to kids!

Same deal for anyone under 40 years old that are healthy.

As for spacing out the shots, it seems to be the going rate with such 'vaccines'. My rabies shots were 7 days after the first one then 3 weeks after the second one.

Hope all works out for those who do get the shot 2,3, 4 years down the road, right now they have no idea what this stuff is going to do, it's all experimental and never been done before.


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Got the Moderna Vaccine Shot on March 23rd at the University Of Pittsburgh At Johnstown. The vaccination site operation was extremely well run with an enormous amount of volunteers helping out. Had a sore arm for 2 days at the shot site and developed a cold sore on my lip the next day (maybe a coincidence?). They scheduled my second shot right there for April 20th.

As of today March 30th, I have no issues and the cold sore is healing up.



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My wife had both of her Moderna, she ran a slight fever the day after,but other than that she has had no problems. I get my second one in 11 days.
Tom


Tom, I thought our 2nd shots was due about the same time for some reason, going back over this thread I see that is not the case. I got my 2nd shot yesterday. It is now 30 hours later and the only thing that happened thus far is I have a slightly sore arm. My wife is 11 years younger than I and she got her 2nd shot about 3 weeks ago, she had a splitting headache, had the chills and an upset stomach which all occurred about 24 hours after the shot and did not last long.


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There is a new double mutant strain from India , that they just reported to be in California.

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My oldest boys in laws went from Mnpls to Hibbling to get their shots twice not easy to find in the Cities I guess? It just might come down evolution in the future. LOL


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My wife and I both to took the shoots on time and had NO ill effect.....

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Jerry,I couldn't get my shot anywhere near me.As soon as the opening came up they were filled. I refused to travel to Minneapolis for one.
I got an opening in New Richmond,Wisconsin.The 20 plus mile drive was a piece of cake as was my first shot. My wife had her radiation treatments at the hospital in New Richmond ,and we really liked all the workers their-real first class operation. I was treated the same way for my vaccination. I get the second one next friday.
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There is a new double mutant strain from India , that they just reported to be in California.

After it will be quadruple super duper covid 22 but don't worry by then everyone will of got the two shots and can then line up for the 4 shot series to fight off super duper covid but keep wearing at least 3 mask just to be safe.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7234565
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By the sounds of it--you already caught it Jackie.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Bogmaster] #7234573
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Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Jerry,I couldn't get my shot anywhere near me.As soon as the opening came up they were filled. I refused to travel to Minneapolis for one.
I got an opening in New Richmond,Wisconsin.The 20 plus mile drive was a piece of cake as was my first shot. My wife had her radiation treatments at the hospital in New Richmond ,and we really liked all the workers their-real first class operation. I was treated the same way for my vaccination. I get the second one next friday.
Tom


They could not gets the shots in Mnpls anywhere they had go Hibbling thatís a long drive but they did it twice must be tough to get?


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7234589
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Jerry,my wife is74 so she was able to get hers in Minneapolis for her first one 5 plus weeks ago,she was one of over8,000 that got it that day.Not sure but I think it was at the convention center. Daughter took her,as I avoid that city.Got her second one about a week ago,just as jury selection was taking place for the chauvin trial.
I guess local availability is much better now.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7234610
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Guy at work had a relative that passed away 2 weeks ago. 80 years old. Had a stroke 2 days after the 2nd shot. I'm not getting any shots.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7234612
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Don't then, that will allow someone else to get theirs.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7234622
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Virus is real, not very threatening, Pandemic is a hoax, and shot compliance is for sheeple.

Take it if you want, I'm not gonna, and I believe there is a huge deep state manipulation going on.

I'll be around to shoot my self out of it while the rest of you are lined up in concentration camps, I got your back.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7234632
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Les you are going to need us who have taken the vaccine to get your back--Your reasoning seems a bit skewed. If you think getting the vaccine makes us any less willing to stand up for what is right--you are badly mistaken.
Everyone seems to forget who got these vaccines to us as fast as could be made possible--not the one who takes the credit,it is the man most of us on here voted for--Donald J. Trump. Do you really think he didn't believe what he did was right? I believe he had our best interest at heart and I have and will take the vaccine I will also break you out of any concentration camp you stumble into Les,LOL and I think you believe me on that count.
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Virus is real, not very threatening, Pandemic is a hoax, and shot compliance is for sheeple.

Take it if you want, I'm not gonna, and I believe there is a huge deep state manipulation going on.

I'll be around to shoot my self out of it while the rest of you are lined up in concentration camps, I got your back.

I with you Les. I won't be lining up for any shots for a Planedemic.
Bog says "the man most of us on here voted for--Donald J. Trump. Do you really think he didn't believe what he did was right? I believe he had our best interest at heart"
It does not matter what he believed, they conned him and you. They conned him at the voting booth too.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7234640
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Plain and simple--don't get it then.just quit giving (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) to those who have or are getting it.
Believe what you want,and do what you want,just allow us to do the same.
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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7234644
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I believe Trump was lied to, and I'm prayin' for everybody else.


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I know some wont watch this doctor, and if they did they would say he's wrong, even though science says he's not. Anyway it the best medical advice Ive seen on the whole mess yet.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hfzL...yajsCdIJ-zYo6qVpTTYdQTFE6iMI829VMJzxRQEc


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Are most ppl in the U.S. getting the Moderna ?
Is there no Astra Zeneca being used in the U.S. ?

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Astra Zeneca has not been approved in the U.S.
The other 3 are available,and you pretty much get what is available in your area at the time you can get the vaccine.
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The science changes with political and geographic location. That's why you're told to follow the science. Lol




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By the sounds of it--you already caught it Jackie

I probably did Tom, it's so deadly you can have it and never know it.


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Originally Posted by yukon254
I know some wont watch this doctor, and if they did they would say he's wrong, even though science says he's not. Anyway it the best medical advice Ive seen on the whole mess yet.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hfzL...yajsCdIJ-zYo6qVpTTYdQTFE6iMI829VMJzxRQEc


Very interesting video.

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Originally Posted by Bogmaster
Jerry,I couldn't get my shot anywhere near me.As soon as the opening came up they were filled. I refused to travel to Minneapolis for one.
I got an opening in New Richmond,Wisconsin.The 20 plus mile drive was a piece of cake as was my first shot. My wife had her radiation treatments at the hospital in New Richmond ,and we really liked all the workers their-real first class operation. I was treated the same way for my vaccination. I get the second one next friday.
Tom


They could not gets the shots in Mnpls anywhere they had go Hibbling thatís a long drive but they did it twice must be tough to get?


I think in the metro area it may be a little more of a wait, there is only 4 million people there. I'm sure they didn't "have" to drive to Hibbing, they could have found it closer. Hibbing to Minneapolis is only 3 hours, it's probably the first spot they settled on. Nice drive to once out of the metro.

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Has science proved itís actually a vaccine or is that what they want people to believe.

Here is the definition of a vaccine:
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.

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My vaccine is vitamin D, magnesium, and Zink.

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My vaccine is vitamin D, magnesium, and Zink.


Yep, my daily cocktail is Vit D, Vit C, Zinc, with some CHQ and Azithromycin in the house on stand by. I can get oral Ivermectin in short order, or at least get a script for it. Good to "know" people with a pen...


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Plain and simple--don't get it then.just quit giving (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) to those who have or are getting it.
Believe what you want,and do what you want,just allow us to do the same.
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I will not get the vaccine. I just can not figure out why anyone else would want too. Tell me what you think it does for you? There is nothing that shows it does anything for you. But if you feel safe because of taking the vaccine, get in line.


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You guys will make your own chemo for cancer when you get it?

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You guys will make your own chemo for cancer when you get it?

Apples, Oranges, lol


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My doc said he was diagnosed with prostate cancer 15 years ago. He just never went back to that clinic and never had a problem since. I got diagnosed with ulcerative colitis at age 19. Mayo Clinic said I had to take antibiotic steroids the rest of my life. I did for 2 years and the disease got much worse. Iím 25 years old and have had 7 colonoscopies. I quit taking my meds 3-4 years ago and changed my diet (no sugar, dairy, spicy, acidic foods, alcohol or caffeine) I havenít had an issue since. The doctors will prescribe whatever they can for whoever they can if the money or insurance is available. I saw it first hand and lost all my trust in western medicine.

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Originally Posted by Sprung & Rusty
My vaccine is vitamin D, magnesium, and Zink.


Same here!
Currently on 10 K a day of the Vit D. Levels came back just barely above the low mark a couple weeks ago.
I'm always in the sun all summer and usually take 2000 iu daily of vit d year round.
Test Shows (at least to me) it doesn't do squat if Vit D ain't at least 5k a day in the winter !

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Originally Posted by SE.Current
My doc said he was diagnosed with prostate cancer 15 years ago. He just never went back to that clinic and never had a problem since. I got diagnosed with ulcerative colitis at age 19. Mayo Clinic said I had to take antibiotic steroids the rest of my life. I did for 2 years and the disease got much worse. Iím 25 years old and have had 7 colonoscopies. I quit taking my meds 3-4 years ago and changed my diet (no sugar, dairy, spicy, acidic foods, alcohol or caffeine) I havenít had an issue since. The doctors will prescribe whatever they can for whoever they can if the money or insurance is available. I saw it first hand and lost all my trust in western medicine.


You bet! cool

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My doc said he was diagnosed with prostate cancer 15 years ago. He just never went back to that clinic and never had a problem since. I got diagnosed with ulcerative colitis at age 19. Mayo Clinic said I had to take antibiotic steroids the rest of my life. I did for 2 years and the disease got much worse. Iím 25 years old and have had 7 colonoscopies. I quit taking my meds 3-4 years ago and changed my diet (no sugar, dairy, spicy, acidic foods, alcohol or caffeine) I havenít had an issue since. The doctors will prescribe whatever they can for whoever they can if the money or insurance is available. I saw it first hand and lost all my trust in western medicine.


The diet change is the key, it will change your life. Glad you figured it out. I know it works also.

This might come as a surprise to Boco, but the province of Ontario is getting sued for stretching the timeline out between shots. Saw it on the news last week. The manufacturer says 28-days...not 4-months.


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Originally Posted by SE.Current
My doc said he was diagnosed with prostate cancer 15 years ago. He just never went back to that clinic and never had a problem since. I got diagnosed with ulcerative colitis at age 19. Mayo Clinic said I had to take antibiotic steroids the rest of my life. I did for 2 years and the disease got much worse. Iím 25 years old and have had 7 colonoscopies. I quit taking my meds 3-4 years ago and changed my diet (no sugar, dairy, spicy, acidic foods, alcohol or caffeine) I havenít had an issue since. The doctors will prescribe whatever they can for whoever they can if the money or insurance is available. I saw it first hand and lost all my trust in western medicine.


I believe you on the change of diet. It has helped my irritable bowel. However my doctor was very up front with me and before medication wanted me to try to change my diet. The reason for all of the medication is that a lot of people (most), don't want to put the effort in and just want a pill to make them feel better. It goes both ways.

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Originally Posted by Hoosier71
Originally Posted by SE.Current
My doc said he was diagnosed with prostate cancer 15 years ago. He just never went back to that clinic and never had a problem since. I got diagnosed with ulcerative colitis at age 19. Mayo Clinic said I had to take antibiotic steroids the rest of my life. I did for 2 years and the disease got much worse. Iím 25 years old and have had 7 colonoscopies. I quit taking my meds 3-4 years ago and changed my diet (no sugar, dairy, spicy, acidic foods, alcohol or caffeine) I havenít had an issue since. The doctors will prescribe whatever they can for whoever they can if the money or insurance is available. I saw it first hand and lost all my trust in western medicine.


I believe you on the change of diet. It has helped my irritable bowel. However my doctor was very up front with me and before medication wanted me to try to change my diet. The reason for all of the medication is that a lot of people (most), don't want to put the effort in and just want a pill to make them feel better. It goes both ways.


Very true Hoosier71. I have an old book written by a doctor just after WW1. He used diet for 40-years to help thousands. In his opinion fat meat is all thats needed and he had decades of experience to show it worked. The people that it didnt work for were the ones that wouldnt stay with it. The book is called " Strongs Medicine"


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This might come as a surprise to Boco, but the province of Ontario is getting sued for stretching the timeline out between shots. Saw it on the news last week. The manufacturer says 28-days...not 4-months.


Canada is opening itself up to MAJOR lawsuits. What an UTTERLY STUPID decision! It's par for the course though in every government. Once anything goes political, science gets thrown out the window.

Now listen boco, read THE ENTIRE article so you can get a full understanding of what is going on in Ontario canuckland.

The experimental vaccines are being given outside of manufacturers guidelines and recommendations. The manufacturers cannot be sued so the next deepest pockets will be the Canadian government. Completely LUDICROUS!! The manufacturers guidelines will be the key to making many, many multi-millionaires due to the Canadian government's utter stupidity.

SMH, if older people do not get the experimental vaccine according to recommendations and die, Canada is responsible.

But maybe this will be a catalyst for testing antibodies. Who knows. Either way, totally stupid.

https://www.healthing.ca/news/ontario-threatened-with-lawsuit-over-delay-for-covid-booster-shot


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its perfectly acceptable to stretch it out according to guidelines to get more people vaccinated.
There is a benefit to stretching it out in that the immune response will be stronger,and no negative effects from stretching out the reccomended timeline.

You're a weirdo-first you say dont get the vaccine,now your mad because some wont get a second vaccine soon enough in your mind.
What a buffoon,lol.

And why would a government getting sued be a surprise to anyone today with all the moneygrabbers out there,lol.
Frivolous lawsuits that go nowhere are a way of life for many.


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1st Pfizer vaccine shot for me, my wife and daughter Thursday. Tried for a while to get on a list.

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Originally Posted by Boco
its perfectly acceptable to stretch it out according to guidelines to get more people vaccinated.
There is a benefit to stretching it out in that the immune response will be stronger,and no negative effects from stretching out the reccomended timeline.

You're a weirdo-first you say dont get the vaccine,now your mad because some wont get a second vaccine soon enough in your mind.
What a buffoon,lol.

And why would a government getting sued be a surprise to anyone today with all the moneygrabbers out there,lol.
Frivolous lawsuits that go nowhere are a way of life for many.


The information sheet given here for and from Moderna specifically states to give the vaccines a mo the apart, three weeks for Pfizer.

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Time for a little humor....


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Originally Posted by Boco
its perfectly acceptable to stretch it out according to guidelines to get more people vaccinated.
There is a benefit to stretching it out in that the immune response will be stronger,and no negative effects from stretching out the reccomended timeline.

You're a weirdo-first you say dont get the vaccine,now your mad because some wont get a second vaccine soon enough in your mind.
What a buffoon,lol.

And why would a government getting sued be a surprise to anyone today with all the moneygrabbers out there,lol.
Frivolous lawsuits that go nowhere are a way of life for many.



Still not reading the articles. Quite obvious.


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I'm not mad at all if you don't get your second experimental vaccine as per manufacturers guidelines. The experimental vaccine will be useless in a year anyway.

I am simply showing how stupid the Canadian government is from a liability perspective. Manufacturer states 21-28 days between shots if you choose to take the experimental vaccine.

Canada says let's wait 4 months. Never mind what the manufacturer says. So when people get covid after only getting one shot any lawyer can say Canada assumed negligence by extending the gap between experimental vaccines going directly against the manufacturers specs.

I am not advocating anyone take this experimental vaccine.

I am showing the STRAIGHT STUPIDITY of the Canadian government.

I am showing the STRAIGHT STUPIDITY of the Canadian government.

I am showing the STRAIGHT STUPIDITY of the Canadian government.

I am showing the STRAIGHT STUPIDITY of the Canadian government.

I am showing the STRAIGHT STUPIDITY of the Canadian government.

Get it now? I am going to go ahead and say you don't.


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Just keeping things in line how healthcare up there works where routine care takes 4 months or more minimum to schedule. Rationed care.

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Originally Posted by Boco
its perfectly acceptable to stretch it out according to guidelines to get more people vaccinated.
There is a benefit to stretching it out in that the immune response will be stronger,and no negative effects from stretching out the reccomended timeline.

You're a weirdo-first you say dont get the vaccine,now your mad because some wont get a second vaccine soon enough in your mind.
What a buffoon,lol.

And why would a government getting sued be a surprise to anyone today with all the moneygrabbers out there,lol.
Frivolous lawsuits that go nowhere are a way of life for many.



You should seriously read the article. The two suing are medical professionals. The manufacturers do not recommend waiting 4-months between shots. I have no idea if its harmful or not, but thats not the point. The point is they are doing something that hasnt been tested or approved. You keep denying this, but that doesnt make it true. A smart person would be asking questions.


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I read the article.Blah Blah Blah.
I have read many more articles that say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Boco
I read the article.Blah Blah Blah.
I have read many more articles that say otherwise.


Your beloved NACI says otherwise. Show us these "many more articles".

And what does the MANUFACTURER say?

You are an excellent trapper and put up some very nice fur. Stick with that.

Factual conversation can be difficult for some.


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You need to stick with what you know which is what exactly?
Wingnut,that believes all the dumb conspiracy theorys,lol
Now go put on another tinfoil hat.
There are a lot like you-no wonder your country is in a category 5 hurricane when it comes to the virus,compared to the rest of the world,lol.

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Originally Posted by Boco
You need to stick with what you know which is what exactly?
Wingnut,that believes all the dumb conspiracy theorys,lol
Now go put on another tinfoil hat.


Nope, just showing the factual stupidity of the Canadian government and showing factually what the NACI is saying.

I like the gold tin foil. A little more expensive but I get GREAT reception.

And yeah, I addressed your numbers game and obviously you can't comprehend what facts were in that article.

Oh well. TRAP ON!!!


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Originally Posted by Boco
You need to stick with what you know which is what exactly?
Wingnut,that believes all the dumb conspiracy theorys,lol
Now go put on another tinfoil hat.
There are a lot like you-no wonder your country is in a category 5 hurricane when it comes to the virus,compared to the rest of the world,lol.

Outside of the states that didn't suicide the nursing home patients by forcing covid patients into them. We've done quite well.

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I show facts. You don't.

What can you learn from that?

Call me some derogatory name first, then tell me what you learned.


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You shouldnt concern yourself about Canadas response to the virus,or any other country for that matter.
We are all way out ahead of you.
Just today the medical professionals stated your country is now in a catagory 5 hurricane,compared to all other countries with the spread of the disease and your government is doing nothing to mitigate the disaster.

You need to focus your concern inward.

I support the shutdown of travel from populated areas to keep us safe here.So far nothing in my lifestyle has changed one bit,Both my grown kids are still working and healthy-good job Canada.
I support vaccination also.

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Well, again, Canada's death rate as a percentage of the population is 2.3%.

America is 1.8%.

Keep listening to those professionals. They make you look so intelligent.

What's your favorite soap opera?


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Death rate for those who are infected is similar
Problem is you have 3.5 times the number of people infected as a percentage of the population.You keep on listening to the wingnuts.
Bad.

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What medical professionals? Name them. We have no problem defrocking the charlatans here.

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Here is a picture for you.

Just look at the first graph labeled "Daily Trends in Number of COVID-19 Deaths in the United States Reported to CDC".

Just look at the picture and then consider what you 'heard" from your news today.

Hurricane, huh?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendsdeaths


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The actual IFR per CDC is going to be around .15 because that number only includes known or suspected cases. CDC believes upto 10x more people has it with no symptoms and so wasn't counted.

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Not talking about deaths-talking about spread of infections.(will cause a spike in deaths for sure soon)
Should I get out the crayons and little dolls to help you comprehend?

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Now here is another picture. No reading required.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/

Help me understand your point here, boco.


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Those graphs prove nothing they are numbers.Nothing anyone is disagreeing with.
Fact is your country is the worst in the world dealing with covid because of all the tin hatters there.It is reported in every news outlet worldwide,including your own.

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And there you have it folks.

I hope your traps and stretchers are full, boco.


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Antd there you have what?
And who are folks?

And why do you refer to me as a good trapper?
Compared to most Canadian trappers I am mediocre at best,I just happen to post on SM.

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Be careful out there, boco. That is some beautiful country you trap in. Dangerous and desolate also.

We all enjoy your pictures of your furs and trapline.


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I hope all you guys stay safe also.
Be nice once enough get vaccinated,so the virus is no longer novel and is relegated to seasonal flu like the rest,and both our countries/cities can all get back to normal.
Time to go scout the line for a couple hours.

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By the numbers it's already the seasonal flu so...

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Originally Posted by Boco
Those graphs prove nothing they are numbers.Nothing anyone is disagreeing with.
Fact is your country is the worst in the world dealing with covid because of all the tin hatters there.It is reported in every news outlet worldwide,including your own.


You need to pay more attention to whats happening in your own backyard.....this from your home province,...

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Our province is doing a great job,Doug Ford-a conservative is great and a good friend of trappers.
I live here and you think you know more about Ontario than me,thats retarded for sure.

You need to get off the net and quit reading all the wingnut conspiracy theorys or you will wind up with a thick yankee tinfoil hat on.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Our province is doing a great job,Doug Ford-a conservative is great and a good friend of trappers.
I live here and you think you know more about Ontario than me,thats retarded for sure.

You need to get off the net and quit reading all the wingnut conspiracy theorys or you will wind up with a thick yankee tinfoil hat on.


So you're saying the Canadian lawyers in the video are wingnut conspiracy theorists?? Sounds like they have a solid case, and have actually won one.....in Ontario ..

You telling me to get off the net is kinda funny...I've got small fraction of the posts you have, and Ive been on here a lot longer than you have. Hard for me to post when Im in the bush trapping.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236044
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He is a lawyer-works for money like any other.
he is representing an organization that is anti vaccine.They have been described as a group spreading lies about immunization and vaccination.
Like I said frivolous lawsuits are a way of life for some.
It didnt take much research to find out about the wingnuts he is representing.

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Look out the window Boco, nobody is dyin, and it is NOT a vaccine.

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It's true, plenty of scum lawyers out there take on a case and file a vexatious suit on someone.
Case lacks merit and they swindle their clients out of hard $$$

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I like the gold tin foil. A little more expensive but I get GREAT reception.


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Originally Posted by Boco
Our province is doing a great job,Doug Ford-a conservative is great and a good friend of trappers.
I live here and you think you know more about Ontario than me,thats retarded for sure.

You need to get off the net and quit reading all the wingnut conspiracy theorys or you will wind up with a thick yankee tinfoil hat on.


Utopia.

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Someone should put all of Boco's rebuttals into a book and call it, "Boco Fights Back". It may make some people smile. I bet he struck out a lot if he ever played baseball. Seems like he swings on every pitch thrown...


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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Boco
Our province is doing a great job,Doug Ford-a conservative is great and a good friend of trappers.
I live here and you think you know more about Ontario than me,thats retarded for sure.

You need to get off the net and quit reading all the wingnut conspiracy theorys or you will wind up with a thick yankee tinfoil hat on.


Utopia.


So rich of you boco. You come here talking crap about American politics and everything else that you see through the lens of a socialist media and call someone a retard (which is disgusting to do) because they comment on how screwed up Canada really is. Do you realize when someone is really sick in Canada that they come to the states for treatment if they can afford it. You truly are the ring leader in your own circus. I pity a fool. LLL


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My shots were a month apart.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: yukon254] #7236360
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A 94% effective rate means just that. Six out of one hundred people can be expected to contract the virus. We all hope we are among the 94%. For teens, itís 100% effective. People who refuse the vaccine are 100% susceptible. They have very limited protection.

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Originally Posted by charles
A 94% effective rate means just that. Six out of one hundred people can be expected to contract the virus. We all hope we are among the 94%. For teens, itís 100% effective. People who refuse the vaccine are 100% susceptible. They have very limited protection.

Those last two sentences are absolutely false. The whole lockdown premise was based on asymptomatic spread do the people that got it and had 0 or very minor symptoms had no natural protection?

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A 94% effective rate means just that. Six out of one hundred people can be expected to contract the virus. We all hope we are among the 94%. For teens, itís 100% effective.


There is nothing that is "100%" effective. That is just a single, limited number of people "experiment" outcome. Anybody believing that something is 100% effective has waaaaaaay too much FAITH in a system. This thing is still "emergency use authorization" BECAUSE there is no long term studies to show how safe it is or how effective it is in the long run. I would certainly not having my young people taking this shot, they have way too much of their lives ahead of them to roll the dice that substantial issues don't arise with time lag. Remember, the fed gov have given the companies immunity from law suits in the future by doing this mass EUA roll out.

I'll gamble in the casino. The long-term potential issues are known there...


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I know people that have various autoimmune disorders that got covid and had only minor, if any symptoms. Were they lucky? Perhaps but you can't say nonvaxxed people are on danger.

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My wifeís sister road in a car for an hour with three other girls. Someone had the virus. All four got Covid. One died, another gave it to her daughter and grandkids.

Unvaccinated people who have not had Covid, have no immunity. I think they are at a greater risk, donít you?

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You can have immunity without being exposed to the virus or received a vaccine. Without natural immunity, we'd all be dead. Spanish flu, which if now the common flu, and polio didn't wipe us all off the map. Because people had a natural immunity to it where their immune system either prevented it from taking hold before it caused symptoms or at least fought it off before symptoms got worse.

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Originally Posted by charles
A 94% effective rate means just that. Six out of one hundred people can be expected to contract the virus. We all hope we are among the 94%. For teens, itís 100% effective. People who refuse the vaccine are 100% susceptible. They have very limited protection.

My immune system is my protection and according to the numbers the virus is over 99% survivable..

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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Boco
Our province is doing a great job,Doug Ford-a conservative is great and a good friend of trappers.
I live here and you think you know more about Ontario than me,thats retarded for sure.

You need to get off the net and quit reading all the wingnut conspiracy theorys or you will wind up with a thick yankee tinfoil hat on.


Utopia.

Yes it is.
Would never leave the area I am in.

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So rich of you boco. You come here talking crap about American politics and everything else that you see through the lens of a socialist media and call someone a retard (which is disgusting to do) because they comment on how screwed up Canada really is. Do you realize when someone is really sick in Canada that they come to the states for treatment if they can afford it. You truly are the ring leader in your own circus. I pity a fool. LLL
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Glad you are a loyal follower of all my posts.
You really need to double down on your professed christianity and learn how not to despise half of your countrymen because of how they vote.That is not the christian way-you phony.

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I just canít understand why thereís a push to vaccinate anyone for something that is 99% survivable. Dang near sounds like we had ďherd immunityĒ from the start. The bigger threat is ďherd mentalityĒ.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7236472
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Originally Posted by Boco


So rich of you boco. You come here talking crap about American politics and everything else that you see through the lens of a socialist media and call someone a retard (which is disgusting to do) because they comment on how screwed up Canada really is. Do you realize when someone is really sick in Canada that they come to the states for treatment if they can afford it. You truly are the ring leader in your own circus. I pity a fool. LLL


Glad you are a loyal follower of all my posts.
You really need to double down on your professed christianity and learn how not to despise half of your countrymen because of how they vote.That is not the christian way-you phony.[/quote]

I follow no man boco. Here you go though. This is where I stand in regards to a fool and yes it is from scripture.... A fool is someone who is unwise, lacks sense, and lacks judgement. Fools don't want to learn the truth. They laugh at the truth and turn their eyes away from the truth. Fools are wise in their own eyes failing to take in wisdom and advice, which will be their downfall. They suppress the truth by their unrighteousness.


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You better practice what you preach fool.
Maybe try to learn what it means to be a christian.

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Originally Posted by charles
A 94% effective rate means just that. Six out of one hundred people can be expected to contract the virus. We all hope we are among the 94%. For teens, itís 100% effective. People who refuse the vaccine are 100% susceptible. They have very limited protection.

I will never put the mystery juice into my kids either.

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A 1% death rate turns into 100% when itís you. Be safe, my friend.

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A 1% death rate turns into 100% when itís you. Be safe, my friend.


No it's still 1% just you became part of that 1% at that point.

A 1% death rate gets much higher when people lose their jobs, business shut down, health problems go untreated when offices are closed and preventive screenings are not gotten.

All because of fear and lack of reason and thinking .

O someone I know died its do scary. I bet you know more people that have died in auto wrecks, medical malpractice and thousands of other causes . But those those you react rationally.

Get your experimental shots and feel all superior. I hope it works out well for you. Myself and many others will take our chances. I don't want to find out latter the long term negative effects will harm me,my kids or grand kids.

I also do not live in fear.

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Originally Posted by charles
A 1% death rate turns into 100% when itís you. Be safe, my friend.

We all will die charles. Some day. Some how. I get you are scared of what's going on. I understand that and you're not the only one. I won't pick on you or anyone else for it. I however refuse to live my life being afraid. The media made this a lot worse than what it really is. They meant to..... The survival rate is very very high and I'm in the age bracket where I don't need to worry for the most part. I'm more worried about diabetes from all the added sugar in the preservatives in our food than I am about covid.

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Originally Posted by charles
A 94% effective rate means just that. Six out of one hundred people can be expected to contract the virus. We all hope we are among the 94%. For teens, itís 100% effective. People who refuse the vaccine are 100% susceptible. They have very limited protection.



Who said unvaccinated people are 100% susceptible? Matter of fact who said vaccinated teens are 100% effective, or protected if that is what you mean? What studies reflect your statement? I was directly exposed to covid 19 by 3 employees last summer, in a months time, never got it, never got sick. I am two weeks from my second Moderna shot

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From the Lancet

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It is imperative to dispel any ambiguity about how vaccine efficacy shown in trials translates into protecting individuals and populations. The mRNA-based Pfizer1, 2 and Moderna3 vaccines were shown to have 94Ė95% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, calculated as

100x(1 minus the attack rate with vaccine divided by the attack rate with placebo).

It means that in a population such as the one enrolled in the trials, with a cumulated COVID-19 attack rate over a period of 3 months of about 1% without a vaccine, we would expect roughly 0∑05% of vaccinated people would get diseased. It does not mean that 95% of people are protected from disease with the vaccineóa general misconception of vaccine protection also found in a Lancet Infectious Diseases Editorial.4 In the examples used in the Editorial, those protected are those who would have become diseased with COVID-19 had they not been vaccinated. This distinction is all the more important as, although we know the risk reduction achieved by these vaccines under trial conditions, we do not know whether and how it could vary if the vaccines were deployed on populations with different exposures, transmission levels, and attack rates.


Simple mathematics helps. If we vaccinated a population of 100000 and protected 95% of them, that would leave 5000 individuals diseased over 3 months, which is almost the current overall COVID-19 case rate in the UK. Rather, a 95% vaccine efficacy means that instead of 1000 COVID-19 cases in a population of 100000 without vaccine (from the placebo arm of the abovementioned trials, approximately 1% would be ill with COVID-19 and 99% would not) we would expect 50 cases (99∑95% of the population is disease-free, at least for 3 months).
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Accurate description of effects is not hair-splitting; it is much-needed exactness to avoid adding confusion to an extraordinarily complicated and tense scientific and societal debate around COVID-19 vaccines.
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I am really starting to think the seasonal flu and having underlying health problems, is more deadly than Covid 19. And diagnosed as Covid 19 when it was the flu. I made final arrangements for a aunt that passed in a Michigan nursing home April 8 2020. Death certificate said cause was Covid, no covid test, no autopsy. She had flu twice in 2019 almost passing. I questioned nursing home staff, and Dr. that pronounced death. Dr. never ever seen my aunt, just declared death time and cause based on what nursing home staff said and a remote EKG print from EMT's She was 85 years old and had several years of bad lung problems. I was mad as heck for a while, then just decided to let her rest in peace...


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Originally Posted by charles
My wifeís sister road in a car for an hour with three other girls. Someone had the virus. All four got Covid. One died, another gave it to her daughter and grandkids.

Unvaccinated people who have not had Covid, have no immunity. I think they are at a greater risk, donít you?


The sentence in bold, is just absolutely false. The common cold can produce immunity.

https://bgr.com/2020/08/07/coronavirus-immunity-study-common-cold-t-cell-response-5862460/

The question people should be asking but for some reason refuse to even consider it is this.....how many of the people who are in hospitals with severe cases of covid have been given ivermectin?? Thats the question that should concern people. The science is in, ivermectin works. It saves lives, and if used before you get covid, you wont get covid period. Studies show it gives 100% protection. So when Boco says Ontario is doing such a great job I disagree. I heard on the news today that 498 people in Ontario are currently in the ICU there. How many have been given ivermectin??? Zero would be my guess.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236710
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In recent months, a number of scientific studies have found that some people have immune systems with cells that are tailored to fight the coronavirus despite having never been exposed to it.

The likely explanation is found in a special cell in the human immune system known as a T cell. T cells are a type of white blood cell that help regulate the immune system's response to a pathogen such as the coronavirus. One type of T cell is CD8+, and it attacks and kills cells in the body that are infected with a pathogen. Another type is CD4+, and it is a ďhelperĒ cell that assists other cells in the immune system.

After the body fights off a pathogen, the immune system retains some of the T cells as ďmemory cells.Ē If the pathogen returns, the memory cells can give the body a jump in fighting it.

It is possible that some people have T cells that are primed to fight the coronavirus even though they have never been infected with it. These are ďcross-reactiveĒ T cells, ones that can fight more than one pathogen.

At least six studies have found cross-reactive T cells that target the coronavirus in individuals with no known exposure to the virus. A study in the journal Cell examined blood samples taken in the United States from 2015 to 2018, well before the coronavirus appeared. About 50% of the samples had cross-reactive T cells that targeted the coronavirus. Studies in Germany, Singapore, Sweden, and the United Kingdom likewise found cross-reactive T cells in people who had not been exposed to the coronavirus. Another study in Nature found cross-reactive T cells in people that had been exposed to SARS virus back in 2003, suggesting that the SARS virus may have primed the T cells.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7236859
04/06/21 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
You better practice what you preach fool.
Maybe try to learn what it means to be a christian.


Triggered easily. Christian is spelled with a capital C because when we are in the family of God we take on Christ's name. It does not mean we are perfect. Just forgiven. I fail daily but that does not mean I do not know him or that he walks away from me. It allows me to see through people who would try to define me. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236877
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Right back at ya! A lot of people have seen through you.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7236953
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Originally Posted by Boco
Right back at ya! A lot of people have seen through you.


I'm sorry your so miserable. Sadly you don't even realize it.
I will pray for you Baco

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7236956
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Miserable?I'm as happy as Larry,lol.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237041
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Originally Posted by Boco
Miserable?I'm as happy as Larry,lol.


How about your joy boco? Do you know what I am asking? You waste your time with your shallow but petty comments toward me. You do not know me. If you did you would feel like the fool you appear to be. As for others you talk of I am sure there are a few in the crowd. You must camp out all day waiting for me to respond to your drivel. Oh well have a day you deserve. LLL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237531
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Not sure why the Canadian Troll continues to be fed.....His behavior and name calling here is pretty much sanctioned, not sure why, but it's not my site. It's my choice to be here, have to just accept it. In my daily life I would not.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237540
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I only respond to you anti Canadian jerks.I dont take that in real life either.
You wont get away with attacking without getting a response.
If you care to read back you will see who started it.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237541
04/07/21 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
I only respond to you anti Canadian jerks.I dont take that in real life either.
You wont get away with attacking without getting a response.
If you care to read back you will see who started it.


what a load of crap..


Trump won....
Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237546
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Truth.There arent too many but the same few.
I;m good buddies with lots on here and we can joke around and have a good laugh.
Always a few ejits that play the nationality card or call names.-I'm up for it,dont bother me.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237712
04/07/21 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
I only respond to you anti Canadian jerks.I dont take that in real life either.
You wont get away with attacking without getting a response.
If you care to read back you will see who started it.


Well I took a look like you said. Just from page 6 this is what I saw. This is what you called anyone that disagreed with you. Weirdo, baffoon, wingnut (4 times),tin hatters, yankee tin hatters, phoney, fools, retards, anti Canadian jerks and ejits.

Maybe in the outback it is ok to speak of others that way. Maybe you do not even notice you do this. Maybe we judge you for what you type. I think you are a hypocrite and a fool who speaks of things, places, events and others as he sees it through his tiny little life with very little outside influence and experience other than what yo read on the computer or that your government tells you to think. I also do not think you are very happy with who you are. I get that from how you address everyone and every subject. It is not that I follow you but rather enjoy the study of how some people function. You are one to study to see what went wrong. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237724
04/07/21 09:55 PM
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You started it-Called me despicable -I gave it right back buster.You despise me-I like that from the likes of you.Makes me proud.
I have travelled lived and worked all over the world during my life.
Your take on me is way off.
And my take on you is spot on with your phony christianity.
You wouldn't despise over half your countrymen and call people despicable just because they dont think like you if you were anywhere near christian.

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237732
04/07/21 10:02 PM
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No I said I despise you but you had attacked several before that. Take your own advice. You are out matched here with me boco. LLL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237736
04/07/21 10:05 PM
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You are a legend in your own mind. LLL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237740
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Ditto.
Your all ate up from getting ripped off for a few coon by NAFA-you should let that go-maybe you wouldnt be so bitter and think half your own people and one Canuck are despicable.
Hows that for reading you?

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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237744
04/07/21 10:13 PM
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Time out guys---This was supposed to be an informational post on the covid vaccine.
Lets back off on the pissing match,no one is going to benefit from it.
Tom


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237748
04/07/21 10:16 PM
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To get back to that,I found out today We will be getting our second shot of moderna end of April (4 weeks from the first shot) not in july like was told previously.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: LLtrapper] #7237749
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
You are a legend in your own mind. LLL


Spot on

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237754
04/07/21 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Ditto.
Your all ate up from getting ripped off for a few coon by NAFA-you should let that go-maybe you wouldnt be so bitter and think half your own people and one Canuck are despicable.
Hows that for reading you?


Your a genius. lol


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237774
04/07/21 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
You started it-Called me despicable -I gave it right back buster.You despise me-I like that from the likes of you.Makes me proud.
I have travelled lived and worked all over the world during my life.
Your take on me is way off.
And my take on you is spot on with your phony christianity.
You wouldn't despise over half your countrymen and call people despicable just because they dont think like you if you were anywhere near christian.



You seem to think being a Christian some how makes people perfect? It dose not. We are still broken people with all the same issues as everyone else. Yes we strive to do better and often fail.

It kind of the entire point of Jesus sacrifice. If any of use could measure up that would not have been necessary.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: LLtrapper] #7237799
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Boco
I only respond to you anti Canadian jerks.I dont take that in real life either.
You wont get away with attacking without getting a response.
If you care to read back you will see who started it.


Well I took a look like you said. Just from page 6 this is what I saw. This is what you called anyone that disagreed with you. Weirdo, baffoon, wingnut (4 times),tin hatters, yankee tin hatters, phoney, fools, retards, anti Canadian jerks and ejits.

Maybe in the outback it is ok to speak of others that way. Maybe you do not even notice you do this. Maybe we judge you for what you type. I think you are a hypocrite and a fool who speaks of things, places, events and others as he sees it through his tiny little life with very little outside influence and experience other than what yo read on the computer or that your government tells you to think. I also do not think you are very happy with who you are. I get that from how you address everyone and every subject. It is not that I follow you but rather enjoy the study of how some people function. You are one to study to see what went wrong. LLL


No its not OK to speak to others that way, even here in the far north. Just keep in mind LL that when people start with the personal attacks and name calling, its usually because they have nothing intelligent to say.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237828
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So everyone contact about a shot? I close 61 an noone say nothing me about shot

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237838
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Dave,use the computer to find out where they are giving them in your area.
Tom


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: yukon254] #7237840
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No its not OK to speak to others that way, even here in the far north. Just keep in mind LL that when people start with the personal attacks and name calling, its usually because they have nothing intelligent to say.
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Your statement is incorrect.
Just as statements are not considered slander in a court of law when it is true fact,the same holds true when describing someone with words they dont like.

Playing nationality or race cards is unacceptable however and leads to the label hung on them in a lot of cases.

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Boco] #7237863
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Originally Posted by Boco


No its not OK to speak to others that way, even here in the far north. Just keep in mind LL that when people start with the personal attacks and name calling, its usually because they have nothing intelligent to say.



Your statement is incorrect.
Just as statements are not considered slander in a court of law when it is true fact,the same holds true when describing someone with words they dont like.

Playing nationality or race cards is unacceptable however and leads to the label hung on them in a lot of cases.[/quote]


I guess I should have clarified my statement. Decent people feel its not OK to call people names. You march to a different drum.



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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237914
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I got the second Covid shot last Friday, just a slighty sore arm that only lasted a day.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: coonman220] #7237938
04/08/21 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by coonman220
So everyone contact about a shot? I close 61 an noone say nothing me about shot


Dave it is open to anyone over 16 here now. Go to your county public health website or call them. They will get you all of the places that are giving the shots and you will need to call them and make an appointment. I called them all and put my name on them all and was called within four hours because of a cancelation and got right in for my first one. Just make sure you call them all back when you get your first so they will take you off their list. IA is getting a shipment of 160,000 doses yet this week so they will have some appointments available. Hope this helps.

That is more than some countries get in socialist countries. Glad I live in the greatest country in the world. LLL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237941
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Larry, I thought you were going to take a pass on the vaccine.

Mind if I ask why the change of mind?

Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Steven 49er] #7237950
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Larry, I thought you were going to take a pass on the vaccine.

Mind if I ask why the change of mind?


My wife was diagnosed with cancer last week Steven. I am her caregiver and her doctor said I needed to. I was sicker with the shot than I was when I had it the first time. LLL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237958
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LL my brother got diagnosed with prostate cancer and it was the kind that is aggressive so wasn't treatable, they would have to remove his prostate before it spread. He had to get a covid test before surgery and as his luck would have it he was positive and got sick as a dog. Already had 5 other underlying issue's and is 68 years old so according to the fact based media we have now days he would die.

He got over the covid flu, got his prostate removed, went through radiation for 2 months and is now cancer free. Just letting you know all this so your wife can feel a bit more at ease instead of worrying if she gets covid it's curtains for her.

Hope she makes a full recovery from that mess.


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: Jtrapper] #7237964
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Originally Posted by Jtrapper
LL my brother got diagnosed with prostate cancer and it was the kind that is aggressive so wasn't treatable, they would have to remove his prostate before it spread. He had to get a covid test before surgery and as his luck would have it he was positive and got sick as a dog. Already had 5 other underlying issue's and is 68 years old so according to the fact based media we have now days he would die.

He got over the covid flu, got his prostate removed, went through radiation for 2 months and is now cancer free. Just letting you know all this so your wife can feel a bit more at ease instead of worrying if she gets covid it's curtains for her.

Hope she makes a full recovery from that mess.



Thanks for that. We both had the junk back around Thanksgiving and she had cancer then. We are people of faith but I guess I was caught at a weak moment when we were told of her situation. If she had not had this crap I would never have got the shot. As I said I was sicker after the shot then when I had the bug. She has had both her shots also so no concerns about the china flu so it is just another thing we do not have to spend any thought on. LLL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7237965
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Also thankful for your brother. God is good. LLL


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Re: Covid shots Maderna [Re: grampy] #7238021
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I just saw a video on the news where four doctors were discussing the vaccine among health professionals. They were talking about nurses and EMS personal who grudgingly took the vaccine, and now weeks after the second does are testing positive for covid. They didnt seem to know why this is happening, but its hard to see how it helped them. I still dont understand why they are not using ivermectin.


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