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Electric fence question #7232866
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A customer wants me to install an electric fence (electric tape) around the perimeter top of a wood privacy fence surrounding a garden. The idea is to deter coons from climbing over the fence and raiding the garden.

My question is, would climbing critters, get zapped while climbing the wood fence even though they are not touching the ground? My only experience is with livestock electric fencing so I do not know if the wood would actual connect the pest to “ground”

Any advice is appreciated

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Would need a way for them to hit both at once to work.Would think be easier to get them at ground level


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Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232872
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While I have never tried it I would think it wouldn't work well (read- wouldn't work at all) as wood is a terrible conductor. They need to touch a ground and the hot wire. If they really want it I would try two wires a few inches apart; one connected to the electric fencer and the other to a good ground. The coons would get zapped if they touched both wires.

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It needs to be just above the ground on the outside of the fence to work properly


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Re: Electric fence question [Re: Nate L] #7232877
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Originally Posted by Nate L
While I have never tried it I would think it wouldn't work well (read- wouldn't work at all) as wood is a terrible conductor. They need to touch a ground and the hot wire. If they really want it I would try two wires a few inches apart; one connected to the electric fencer and the other to a good ground. The coons would get zapped if they touched both wires.


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Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232908
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You could run a pos/neg fence where you hook the hot and ground to alternating wires that run close enough together that the animal has to touch both.

This is often done with mobile net fencing where the ground is to hard or dry to make ground rods effective.

Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232910
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run a bare (grounded)wire 2-3 inches from your hot wire. make it so they touch both at once.


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Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232911
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what Nate said. it's a lot of work, but you'll zap the fur off them!


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Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232912
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I would do wire on screw in stand offs rather than the poly tape and have a ground and hot so they are basically on the ground with a pad when they grab the hot ,

you can also do a low hot about 4 inches up so that it discourages digging

I have a 4 foot chain link with standoffs on the top rail and a hot wire , it really discourages dogs from climbing after they get hit the first time


I don't feel electrocution like others been electrocuted a "few" times most fences especially poly twine or ribbon I just pick up the line and move it with my gloved hand and feel a "tickle" at the farm

if my leather boots are wet I feel a hit form the wire at he farm

on my fence with the entire fence ground and the tip hot wire WOW when your holding the ground and your arm hits the hot , you feel it for a while that will get your attention

even my own fence which was hot 15 mile charger on 500 feet or wire, if I had dry shoes on I could grab the hot wire I could feel it pulse in my arm but not anything serious.

but if you can get anything to get a ground and hot wire cross body like left paw right paw it will let go


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Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232915
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Depending on the style of wood fence I would be concerned with entanglement. I'm sure we've all seen photos of things gone wrong. Check all your bases and cya.

Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232918
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You could staple a strip of fence tape connected to the ground to the top of the fence so that the coons touch it and the hot tape at the same time .

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years ago i had the "Bull Buster" from TSC. it's solar powered and it cut the grass that touched the lower wire. I bumped into it once. shocking experience!

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run a bare grounded on top of the wood fence -- then it will work well -- otherwise it won't work well.

Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232967
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Unless it is really wet that one strand wont ground out when it gets touched. Use 2 one hot and the other one grounded (neg) Nd make it wire if u want to get then good even if you got back with tape later


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Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7232977
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If it's on top of of the fence...run two wires, one a ground, the other the "hot" wire. As long as they hit both wires at the same time...ZAP! Good luck!


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As others have stated, why not do this at the ground level? Why let a climbing species get half way to where they want to go when you can deter them at the ground and other non climbing but maybe digging and tunneling species as well. Another thought is seeing you have a wood fence, there could be some metal shields installed like are used on wood duck nets etc. that would not be dependent on having power, shorts etc.

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A few years ago deer and rabbits were eating were eating tomato plants in my garden as fast as I could plant them. A salesman at the local farm store advised me to buy one of his $20 small fence chargers( my garden was just 15' by 30') make a ring of wire 6" or so off the ground and hook it up to the charger. Worked like a champ. Must of gave all the critters a memory because I was able to take it down after a week . I drove short pieces of rebar in the ground and then slid a 1' piece of PVC piper over the rebar and then drilled a 1/4" hole in the PVC pipe and strung cheap form wire through the holes.

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A small roll of wire will be cheaper than the poly tape. Will be more of it and last a lot longer than the poly.

I would run a hot on standoff's about 6-8" off of the ground, another hot on standoffs right along the top (connected to each other by jumper) and a ground right along the top of fence.

I would also get me a good ground rod and drive it in to make sure the ones that get into the lower hot wire get a real good shock.

I have used poly wire in the past for strip grazing but you get a better result with the wire

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Originally Posted by traprjohn
It needs to be just above the ground on the outside of the fence to work properly

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Re: Electric fence question [Re: ZAC] #7233220
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One wire near the ground will work, otherwise you need a ground and a hot wire on top of fence

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