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Manure #7234256
04/03/21 04:07 PM
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Which is better chicken or hog for the vegetable garden?


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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234258
04/03/21 04:19 PM
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Chicken manure will burn plants if used to heavy.

Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234262
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Hog manure is so full of weed seed if your getting feed from elevator


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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234264
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Poultry manure is much higher in N than hog, beef or dairy manure and thus can burn plants quite easily, especially if fresh. Composted manure is less harmful to plants. Hog manure will have weed seeds and so will poultry manure if you feed scratch grains, poultry mash etc. which is not much different than hog mash other than more soybean or protein. As to weeds they can be pulled or hoed, if you put too much high N fertilizer on your plants and kill them you get little to nothing.

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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234280
04/03/21 04:52 PM
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A few years ago an good friend wanted to start gardening. Tilled in lots of pig manure and by the end of the season had a beautiful garden. The only problem was that all his vegetables tasted just like pig manure. Ended up tilling everything up and had to wait another year before they could eat anything from that garden. Strongly suggest you use poultry manure!


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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234286
04/03/21 04:59 PM
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Rabbit is the best for gardening.


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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234300
04/03/21 05:27 PM
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Another vote for rabbit. Chicken is best when laid by for a season to compost or spread and allowed to lay fallow a while before turning in. Horse would be my next choice but it too can bring weeds. Cow doesn't as the reprocessing by cud does away with weeds. BTW rabbits also reprocess by copography by eating the first run soft pellets.


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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234304
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Let it compost for a month, and then either will work just fine. If you apply straight, you're asking us which set of problems you want.

Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234316
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If its free......just take it.
If it is from a commercial poultry operation their manure is re-processed several times and feed back to the chickens ( better protein extraction). Third time round the chickens gut there are only several weed species seeds that survive...one of red root pig weed and portulaca.

Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234342
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Another vote for composted poultry.

Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234349
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It depends on how you garden. I use deep mulching methods so I am adding a lot more carbon (leaves, wood mulch, etc) so I don't get issues with the chicken manure getting too hot. If you are doing a tilled row with no other organic matter, I would mix either one with leaves (we pick them up off the curb when going into town) and let it cook down for a couple months

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Seen a guy a few years ago had a bunch of sheep manure in bags piled up by his garden, don't know much about it other than he had a beautiful garden that year.

Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234378
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Year old aged chicken crap gets my vote


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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234384
04/03/21 07:06 PM
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I like chicken manure in my big compost bins with last years leaves and waste. It heats up well and breaks down all the brown leaves and garden stems. You're left with gardeners gold! the best of the best compost!


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Re: Manure [Re: finbar] #7234407
04/03/21 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by finbar
It depends on how you garden. I use deep mulching methods so I am adding a lot more carbon (leaves, wood mulch, etc) so I don't get issues with the chicken manure getting too hot. If you are doing a tilled row with no other organic matter, I would mix either one with leaves (we pick them up off the curb when going into town) and let it cook down for a couple months



I've wondered about that. I know wood ties up nitrogen as it breaks down. Wondered if chicken crap layered with what comes out the wood chipper wouldn't make good compost.


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Re: Manure [Re: warrior] #7234419
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Watch Back to Eden. It takes time but using deep wood mulch can really improve your yields (especially if you have clay soil like us) and save your back

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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234592
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Typical hog manure I think will run about 2-3 % nitrogen tops. I have seen well cared for broiler manure come out touching 5-7%

Some plants are more sensitive to excess nitrogen. i.e. Strawberries. On the other hand you can top dress raspberries with fresh chicken early in the year and do no harm at all.

Best advice for vegetables is to go with well composted manures which will have adequate N P K for the plants needs.

Typical finished animal manure compost will run 1% or less N.... 3-4% for chicken. Depends how much litter was in there. If red wigglers can't stand it it's still too hot for a lot of stuff.


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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234734
04/04/21 07:55 AM
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Compost it. We compost everything from wood chips to and grass cuttings to what gets shoveled out of the chicken and rabbit pens. All household food scraps and a bunch of horse manure from the stables of nearby farms.

I keep two big piles. One is finished or nearly there and the other is working. I turn them regularly with the backhoe bucket. The working pile is hot and steaming while stuff is breaking down.

I put a couple or three backhoe buckets on each bed come spring.

I would never use straight manure in the garden.


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Re: Manure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7234736
04/04/21 07:56 AM
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horse, not hot and few weeds. we personall have chicken, pig, cow and horse manure and we use it all, but it all sits in a pile and gets composted for a year or more so its all like black dirt!!!

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Like black gold!


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