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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: upstateNY] #7230005
03/29/21 03:33 PM
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Caught 2 rats out of the traps I was able to reach today,
and had many other traps that were clogged with
leaves, grass, twigs and other flotsam.

We planned on setting some numbers of beaver traps
that were easily set by canoe but the high wind
coming off Lake Ontario put a stop to that plan.

Water is still up close to 3 feet over my conibears
and remains the color of chocolate milk.

This complicates trapping bank dens until the water recedes.

If the wind hadn't been blowing 20 knots we would have
thrown in some floats in to take advantage of the now high water.

I have a lot of excuses why we're not stacking the rats up
but that's life until the water levels stabilize.

stay tuned.

w


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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230016
03/29/21 03:42 PM
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Is it legal to set “rat dens” but at least 5 ft from rat houses? Not wanting to open a can of worms but clarifying.

Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: 080808] #7230027
03/29/21 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 080808
Is it legal to set “rat dens” but at least 5 ft from rat houses? Not wanting to open a can of worms but clarifying.


The five foot rule applies to structures constructed by the rat in which It could take shelter.

Bank dens don't fall under that rule as their is no way to measure the actual den
structure in which the muskrat would take shelter.

The underwater entrance hole and/or tunnel is not the structure that the rat would take
shelter in so there is no feasible way to quantify the 5 foot rule.

This has been a settled ECON law enforcement interpretation of the rule
since at least the mid-1970's and not even subject to debate as long
as I have been trapping (1972)

walleyed

Last edited by walleyed; 03/29/21 05:40 PM.

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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230035
03/29/21 04:02 PM
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Thanks. I hope all DEC officers understand.

Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230050
03/29/21 04:18 PM
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The ones out in the Alabama swamps I’m sure know .

Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230149
03/29/21 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by 080808
Is it legal to set “rat dens” but at least 5 ft from rat houses? Not wanting to open a can of worms but clarifying.


The five foot rule applies to structures constructed by the rat in which It could take shelter.

Bank dens don't fall under that rule as their is no way to measure the actual den
structure in which the muskrat would take shelter.

The underwater entrance hole and/or tunnel is not the structure that the rat would take
shelter in so there is no feasible way to quantify the 5 foot rule.

This has been a settled ECON law enforcement interpretation of the rule
since at least the mid-1970's and not even subject to debate as long
as I have been trapping (1972)

walleyed

I had to educate a game warden on the difference between a "rat hut" and a "push up" years ago. smile


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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230244
03/29/21 08:13 PM
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You would have a hard time convincing me a push-up isn’t a structure. Bank tunnel I get. O yea btw it’s a stupid law.

Stupid laws can force trappers to dig deeper and get better > in defense of stupid laws<

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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: nimzy] #7230412
03/29/21 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
You would have a hard time convincing me a push-up isn&#146;t a structure. Bank tunnel I get. O yea btw it&#146;s a stupid law.

Stupid laws can force trappers to dig deeper and get better > in defense of stupid laws<

Where does the word structure come in?Theres a big difference between a push up or feed pile,,,and an actual muskrat "HOUSE" Muskrat HOUSE is the word used in our NYS regs.


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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230425
03/29/21 10:45 PM
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Bob, thanks for sharing your season with us.

When does your season end?


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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230563
03/30/21 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by walleyed

The five foot rule applies to structures constructed by the rat in which It could take shelter.


walleyed

Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: nimzy] #7230585
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Originally Posted by nimzy



walleyed

Originally Posted by walleyed

The five foot rule applies to structures constructed by the rat in which It could take shelter.


walleyed

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I see where you got it.The actual regs actualy say "house" though.And yes I agree,,stupid rule.

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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230597
03/30/21 08:08 AM
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I actually agree with the rule in spring other than that it is an unnecessary restriction

Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: Steven 49er] #7230976
03/30/21 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Bob, thanks for sharing your season with us.

When does your season end?


April 15th.


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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7230988
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Did you catch any more muskrats walleyes?


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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: Boco] #7231171
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Originally Posted by Boco
Did you catch any more muskrats walleyes?


Yes Boco,

I caught 5 rats today from two spots.

Not feeling well today.

I had planned on setting a new spot but my ticker started
acting up with my atrial fibrillation.

Started having chest pains so I went home a took a long nap.

Pulled one spot completely and left the other.

It would have been a good day to set traps but I just
ran out of gas by 10:00AM and went home.

I feel a bit better this evening.

Just skinned, fleshed, and stretched the five rats and now I'm
catching up on what BOCO is up to.

w


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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7231624
03/31/21 07:36 AM
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Hang tough Bob,

Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: bobsheedy] #7232653
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Woke up to cold, snow, and wind this morning at dawn.

Checked my Sandy Island Beach sets in the channel
to South Sandy Pond and out of eight sets we had
a Large beaver and three rats. Had another
fired but empty 330. Tried to reset the 330's but the
wind wouldn't let me hold the canoe stable while
I reset the spot so I'll try and reset tomorrow
if the wind lever lets up.

My buddy New Wave Dave took 18 of my
#1.5 Victor Stoploss and set some feed beds
in Black Pond Tuesday and on today's check
pulled out 8 nice rats for me to skin.

Hoping for some nicer weather in the morning so
I can get Stony Creek set up.

Stay Tuned.

walleyed

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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7232655
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Woke up to cold, snow, and wind this morning at dawn.

Checked my Sandy Island Beach sets in the channel
to South Sandy Pond and out of eight sets we had
a Large beaver and three rats. Had another
fired but empty 330. Tried to reset the 330's but the
wind wouldn't let me hold the canoe stable while
I reset the spot so I'll try and reset tomorrow
if the wind lever lets up.

My buddy New Wave Dave took 18 of my
#1.5 Victor Stoploss and set some feed beds
in Black Pond Tuesday and on today's check
pulled out 8 nice rats for me to skin.

Hoping for some nicer weather in the morning so
I can get Stony Creek set up.

Stay Tuned.

walleyed

Windy and more snow through tomorrow.This weekend looks real nice though.Keep at em & good luck.


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Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: walleyed] #7234121
04/03/21 11:27 AM
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How much you guys getting for your rat glands this year?

Re: The Great Northern New York Spring Muskrat Thread [Re: Waz] #7234376
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Originally Posted by Waz
How much you guys getting for your rat glands this year?


$100.00 a quar t.

It has been that price since the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock.

Before you ask, mine are already spoken for.

w

Last edited by walleyed; 04/05/21 08:12 PM.

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