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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: Wanna Be] #7235766
04/05/21 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Stay away from the Savage combos unless you’re young and have no concern for your shoulders. Sighted in a couple for some folks before deer season and those guns let you know you’re shooting a big game rifle...and these were 6.5 and .270. Plus the scopes are junk.
For a cheaper gun I’d go with the Ruger American. A .308 would do you just fine.


You must have a tender shoulder !! LOL Don't know what calibers kicked hard enough To feel it. THE savage AXIS has a built in recoil pad! I own 3 of the combo's and OUT OF THE BOX the 270 with 130 grain federal and the 243 with 100 gr corelokt ARE THE MOST accurate rifle I have EVER SEEN !! The 270 benchrest will shoot sub 3/8 in groups at 100 yrds ALL DAY LONG . The 243 had me walking up to the target to look after 3 shots because I thought it was sailing bullets. NO the entry hole was the size of a pea and all 3 rounds hit in same hole. BUT the simmons scopes that come on some are junk. The weaver on the newer ones are good for the price. BUT savage now offers a vortex model for 50 bucks more. I put vortex crossfire II on both of my deer rifles.

The ruger is a good rifle but not a ton of difference in mechanics. BUT savage will out shoot the ruger all day long

Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: Larry Bowden] #7235769
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Originally Posted by Larry Bowden
Ruger "American" 30-06. As a FFL dealer for 16 years and a 30-06 shooter for 47 years that is my recommendation. I have hunted elk, black bear, mule deer, whitetail deer and antelope in several Canadian provinces and seven states with a 30-06 and 150 grain bullets.
Avoid cheap gun combo's with low end scopes.
Not all made in the USA guns are of the quality of years past.
Ruger does not appear to compete in the "race to the bottom" in cheap undesirable rifle production. They stand by their products also.



Larry got a question ? I have never owned a 30-06 but tons of guys around have them. I started deer hunting with a 6 mm and now shoot mostly a 270. IF you are using a 150 gr bullet in a 30-06 why not just use the same size bullet in a 270. After all a 270 is a 30 -06 necked down right? Never compared ballistics but would think the 270 would be flatter

Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235772
04/05/21 05:26 PM
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30-06 will serve you well for any big game in North America. Perhaps you would feel undergunned for big brown bear but they have been taken with the 30-06 too. Shot placement is always key.

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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235774
04/05/21 05:27 PM
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308. 7mm mag. 270. 30-06. 300 win mag will all work. Buy the best rifle you can find in one of those calibers you will be fine.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235776
04/05/21 05:31 PM
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Another thought for u. 30/06 or .270 win. Ammo r 2 of the most common to find about anywhere u go to hunt.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235781
04/05/21 05:39 PM
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How common is 303 British in Canada? For a first deer rifle for a non reloader or someone committed to a particular cartridge I'd recommend looking at what's readily available. In other times that would be 30/06, 308, 270 but being most common also means the ones bought up the quickest in these crazy times. 303 might be an option for our Canadian friends but I really don't know.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235784
04/05/21 05:41 PM
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Another one to look at as far as availability goes might be 7.62x54R and one of the Mosin Nagant imports if that's a thing in Canada.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: GROUSEWIT] #7235787
04/05/21 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GROUSEWIT
Another thought for u. 30/06 or .270 win. Ammo r 2 of the most common to find about anywhere u go to hunt.

No ammo is common anymore. LOL.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235796
04/05/21 05:51 PM
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If I had it to do all over again I would buy a 30-06 in either Tikka or Ruger. I am currently looking at a Ruger American in .308, but I have guns in a bunch of other calibers,
I REALLY like Tikka because they have the smoothest action I have ever worked. I have one in .223 for coyote.

What's nice about the 30-06 and .308 is you can walk into just about any sporting or hardware store and find ammo for them....during normal times anyway.

Moosetrot

Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235799
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I really like the .270. My first rifle was an .06.
I now kill a majority of my deer with a .308.

If I needed longer range accuracy all the time, I’d shoot the .308 but if I was to choose one gun for all around killing, I’d just carry my Marlin in .35 Remington. I really like that gun and it will kill most everything.

Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235802
04/05/21 05:56 PM
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the good old 30-06 has been doing what you want for a hundred years and its doing it rather well. There is nothing on the American continent that it will not kill.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: Sprung & Rusty] #7235805
04/05/21 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sprung & Rusty
Originally Posted by GROUSEWIT
Another thought for u. 30/06 or .270 win. Ammo r 2 of the most common to find about anywhere u go to hunt.

No ammo is common anymore. LOL.


That is not a problem on our shelves up here.

303 are common . Wait around Myside someone on the island will learn you are looking for a gun....and the stars may shine on you.
Do you have your FAC ? or what ever it is called now !

Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235819
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if they are "giving" you the gun and the scope combo for 30 dollars more than the gun alone you can be assured the scope is junk.

no manufactuer "gives" anything away they get it for less than the difference in the rifle and the combo use the cheapest rings possible and don't worry about how well it will work for you. if they offer a vortex combo it will cost more and those are usable even though you still may need new rings and mount.

if you can't get 4 fingers from your brow to the scope in a salute seeing clearly , get a different scope any good big game scope should have about 3 1/2 inches of eye relief or more

the scope is very important if you are going to shoot a rifle with optic.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235836
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Nobody has mentioned the old 45/70. It will kill anything that roams north america.

Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235845
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Not much said about your distance in using a big game gun, here (Utah) it's quite possible to have to shoot over 400 yds. or so for your target, if so 30-06, 7mm mag, 270 all are a great choice as there is a whole lot of loads developed for them and already marketed if your not a reloader, be warned though that prepped loads are pretty expensive now due to demand. If you do reload, this is your chance to get a varied caliber gun that you can tailor your own stuff for, which is a great thing for taking any size game, but you still need at the least a medium size caliber for holding the knock down energy at a greater distance for larger game.

If your into just medium ranges 200 and under any of the other 30 calibers will due as well as the 25-06 and several others. So it's just not as easy to recommend one with today's selection !!

Has been mentioned about shoulder shock if your not used to shooting larger calibers, this can be eliminated if you take the time to prep your self accordingly to avoid a flinch when starting to shoot, by starting out with light loads, shoot enough to be comfortable with the gun and use a pad or cushion on your shoulder. Then use the heavier loads, you will notice a difference, however it's really relative to how much you need to shoot to be comfortable with your shot placement.

Personally I've never ever noticed a problem with heavy calibers at the range or on a hunt shooting them due to having shot rifles for such a long time, I'm ingrained to just not feel the recoil, the only time you do notice is on the range really and thats if your shooting quickly and not cushioned properly, on a hunt your much more involved with the quarry than the shot, and really wonder when you pulled the trigger usually if your mind set is what it needs to be.

Inexpensive is relative, but would avoid any combo deals as has been mentioned, they usually suffer heavily in the scope department due to cost. An average "good" scope now days will be as much as the rifle easily, and can go much higher depending on your optic needs, which is number one in long range shooting, you can forgo some in the lesser ranges to save you dollars though.
Good Luck !

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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235851
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.270 spoken here.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235853
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.30/06 or 12ga.

Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235854
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And shot placement is impotent. A .22 will kill an elephant.


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Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: MySide 🦝] #7235859
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30-06 For sure especially if you reload, large choice of lead and velocity also save the latest ammo crises you can by ammo for it almost anywhere. I have several A3-03s a couple of Garands and Remington and Win. all great guns.

Re: Good All Around BIG GAME GUN [Re: Brian Mongeau] #7235886
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Originally Posted by Brian Mongeau
.30/06 or 12ga.


Finally, someone mentioned the true all arounder. 12ga will drop anything that walks, crawls or flies within the limitations of it's reach. If your terrain and landscape is such that 75yds is a long distance view then all those others are wasted energy.


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