Re: Manure
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04/04/21 08:14 AM
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Rabbit is the best for gardening. This! Or horse. Just find someone selling rabbits and ask. Granpas’s rabbits couldn’t keeps up with demand.
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Re: Manure
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04/04/21 08:18 AM
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I’ve got both but I don’t know how good they are the chicken has been sitting for 2 years and the hog, at least 3 probably closer to 4.
Any way to measure them?
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Re: Manure
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04/04/21 09:28 AM
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Oh yeah, I’ll be opening and closing the rows so it will be going directly in the bottom 3inches under the plants. The chicken manure the white wash is the high concentration of the urea that causes the burn, so after 2-3 years it should be well distributed. Dig the squash mounds 10-12 inches deep so the roots grow into it and have a water source in the high organic content during the hot time of the day
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Re: Manure
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04/06/21 11:41 AM
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I’ve got both but I don’t know how good they are the chicken has been sitting for 2 years and the hog, at least 3 probably closer to 4.
Any way to measure them? a year or 2 should be plenty
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Re: Manure
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04/06/21 12:25 PM
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Which is better chicken or hog for the vegetable garden? Chicken then rabbit I think, in order
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Re: Manure
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04/06/21 12:38 PM
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It depends on how you garden. I use deep mulching methods so I am adding a lot more carbon (leaves, wood mulch, etc) so I don't get issues with the chicken manure getting too hot. If you are doing a tilled row with no other organic matter, I would mix either one with leaves (we pick them up off the curb when going into town) and let it cook down for a couple months
I've wondered about that. I know wood ties up nitrogen as it breaks down. Wondered if chicken crap layered with what comes out the wood chipper wouldn't make good compost. Isn't that more or less what commercial compost is?
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Re: Manure
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04/06/21 04:21 PM
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Chicken manure that I used to buy by the truckload already had wood chips as it was used in broiler operations for litter. It was partially composted when I got it and was running 5-7% N. Really high. Dairy manure run through a seperator will run between a little under 1%.
You can finish compost in a matter of a few weeks if your turn it often enough (have big enough piles) and pay attention to proper moisture levels.
The nitrogen in compost is more stable. Raw manure will have a lot its N in ammonia form which is lost to the air if not incorporated into the soil soon.
Older compost that has sat for a long time might have had most of its NPK leached out from the rain and actually take more N out of your soil then what it adds if there was a lot of sawdust, or straw in it to start with.
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Re: Manure
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04/06/21 06:11 PM
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My Father raised fancy chickens as a hobby and also kept about 50 layers. Come spring time after he had his vegetable garden ready, about a quarter acre or more, he would put a 55 gallon drum in the middle of where he planned on putting his tomatoes and peppers. He would always put in 100 tomato plants and 50 or so peppers. A couple days before he put the plants in the ground he would dump a 5 gallon pail sometimes 2 of fresh chicken poop from under his roosts, no floor litter, into the barrel and fill it with water. He would stir it up a couple times a day for a couple days. When he put the plants in each one would get a cup or two of the water from the barrel. We always had mountains of tomatoes and peppers. He would invite the guys he worked with to come out and help themselves. But,,,, he would watch them. The guys that would yank some weeds as they picked always got invited back. Those that didn't, didn't. We always had lots and lots of canned tomatoes, canned melody (tomato, onion, peppers, and zucchini/summer squash stewed together), winter squash, and frozen corn. My mom always had a couple rows of beans and beets. She froze the beans and kept the beets in a mix of dirt and straw in the cellar. We had a pretty good manure pile. When the chicken coops and rabbit hutches got cleaned out it all went on the pile to be spread over the whole garden and worked in the next spring. Seemed like I made a trip out to the pile every couple days with kitchen waste. Chickens got cleaned out 2 or 3 times a year, rabbits just about every ten days or so.
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Re: Manure
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04/07/21 05:43 AM
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Chicken manure that I used to buy by the truckload already had wood chips as it was used in broiler operations for litter. It was partially composted when I got it and was running 5-7% N. Really high. Dairy manure run through a seperator will run between a little under 1%.
You can finish compost in a matter of a few weeks if your turn it often enough (have big enough piles) and pay attention to proper moisture levels.
The nitrogen in compost is more stable. Raw manure will have a lot its N in ammonia form which is lost to the air if not incorporated into the soil soon.
Older compost that has sat for a long time might have had most of its NPK leached out from the rain and actually take more N out of your soil then what it adds if there was a lot of sawdust, or straw in it to start with. Rain can’t get to it so I don’t know how much leeching has taken place, on the other hand being dried out doesn’t sound like is much help either. I’m gonna go with what I’ve got and some 10-10-10. I’ll continue posting as it goes. Thanks for all the info folks!
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Re: Manure
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04/07/21 08:19 AM
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Cow manure after it has been composted for at least a year.Two years is better.Then its just like handling dirt.
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Re: Manure
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04/07/21 08:27 AM
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Huh. Thought this was a thread on politics.
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Re: Manure
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04/07/21 08:18 PM
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Around here most everyone used the mushroom soil......jk
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