I found a site you could see who got it by state and county. Sickening really, a lot of businesses that got it had no disruption in there businesses and some flourished with the shutdowns. It's a big joke that the taxpayers got stuck with. A lot of the business owners were multi millionaires before.

I think it's a loan and later you have to apply for forgiveness. Sounds like most get relief from the entire amount

Hopefully karma steps in

I found a site you could see who got it by state and county. Sickening really, a lot of businesses that got it had no disruption in there businesses and some flourished with the shutdowns. It's a big joke that the taxpayers got stuck with. A lot of the business owners were multi millionaires before.

Starts out as a loan and if you follow their directions correctly it will be forgiven.

According to folks I've been talking with it's easy if your a dead beat but its a pain if you actually are trying to do something productive so I'm not too interested. "Free " government money puts me on edge like a peglegged you're around a dirt hole anyway

I pray for all those whose livelihoods which were ruined by the virus and the govt. But it sure has been hard to hire help

Impossible to hire while competing with all the free gov. money handed to the employee. When I called employee's back after shut down some of them literally gave me guilt trip for making them lose the "super sized" unemployment check. Our core crew were thankful the company was still around.

Careful buddy you are calling a bunch of folks you don't know diddly about a dead beat.

Im still trying to find in the constitution where it says the gov. will protect your business and make sure your employee's don't loose their jobs, pay for your food, etc. from cradle to grave.

But no use in arguing over it 30 trillion in debt and adding to it every day, enjoy these days as they are the GOOD OL TIMES. The future is dark, very dark.

So if a trapper who files his taxes and claims all his income claimed 30,000 in fur sales in 2019, trapped as hard in 19-20 season and could not get them sold at auction in Canada because of covid and then the auction house gave them away for pennies on the dollar would that trapper be considered a dead beat if he applied and received a loan, gift, handout or was he getting back some of the money he paid taxes on for decades? Was it his fault? I will wait to see some responses.

The qualification for a schedule C self employed business is that you must have lost 25% of your annual gross sales. Some of you fellows need to read up on a few things before commenting. There is fraud in everything the government puts its hand to. With out this program a lot more folks would be on the tit because they would have been out a job. LLL

Im still trying to find in the constitution where it says the gov. will protect your business and make sure your employee's don't loose their jobs, pay for your food, etc. from cradle to grave.

But no use in arguing over it 30 trillion in debt and adding to it every day, enjoy these days as they are the GOOD OL TIMES. The future is dark, very dark.

Like anything a lot of abuses but just read in our local paper a lot of businesses are now having to return the monies and some being charged with fraud.

Much of the stimulus money went to blue states that were in trouble financially. NY for instance got something like 80B which still doesn't satisfy their debt. CA got a similar amount. Much of this money was sent overseas to countries for some of the craziest reasons imaginable.

That’s true but the PPP, paycheck protection program went to keeping people employed. Two entirely different things.

Here is another link to use to see what your neighbors raked in from PPP “loans”. This link shows recipients who received less than $150,000 also.

https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/search?q=

It seems every farmer around me got over $20,000. No wonder all the car lots don’t have any pickups in them.

With out this program a lot more folks would be on the tit because they would have been out a job. LLL

They are on the tit. What difference does it make which program it comes through? It all comes from the same udder. It's foolish and unsustainable, and it's going to damage our economy for decades, if not forever.

If you really need the help, then by all means take it. I'll never begrudge someone accepting help when they need it. But if you're just trying to get the feds to make up your difference because you had a short year, then yes you are absolutely a money-grubbing socialist. It's not the government's job to make sure you're financially protected from world events. And if you're trying to get free money for no other reason than "it's there," then you're a despicable thief.

Once upon a time there were men of pride and character who wouldn't take a handout no matter what, no matter whose fault it was they were broke, no matter how much taxes they had paid. Today is full of men looking for any excuse to justify whatever they can get.
This tragedy in this debacle is two-fold. One, that the government is driving the country to financial ruin by printing free money in a poor effort to mitigate a problem created by that government. Two, that so much of the country, including so-called "conservatives" have been suckered into participating in this socialist inflation by believing a victim narrative. Both are very disappointing.

Yes, I lost part of my livelihood due to this crap LL, but not too bad. I was laid off in March 2020 from my job at an oilfield service company because oil prices crashed, partly/mostly due to covid. Then I worked from May-July for an industrial contractor that was deemed "essential business." I spent the rest of the year doing side carpentry jobs. There were times that my buddies living on the unemployment tit were getting more $ a week than I was working, but I couldn't see myself doing it their way. The Lord blessed me with the ability to provide for myself and my family, and to me it's just a matter of maturity, character and honor to do so.

I'm not claiming to be innocent in all this-- I received the stimulii, an oversized tax "refund", and as a matter of fact I just went back to work for my old boss who got a PPP loan. There's still not much oilfield work so he's using it to get shop projects done. Really I went back to help him out, as I'm taking a pay cut from my private jobs.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we have assistance available when people really need it. I'm just disappointed in how far we've gone as a culture from the old days when there was personal pride in achievement and self-reliance. When a man would do everything in his power to avoid needing a handout, rather than doing everything he can to get one. It saddens me.

We also all need to remember that the only reason for all this government assistance is because the governments of the world wrecked our economy in the first place because someone said the word "pandemic." Someone who ruins you and then offers to help isn't a good guy.