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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #7236918
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Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
I read a post a little while ago that said the New Mexico Game Wardens supported this bill.Is this true,or was that fake news?

The warden's I know strongly opposed this and the other bills.

Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7236973
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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237028
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well the polygamist mormans in south utah will just have their kids all tag a 5 cat limit. that little piece of far west tx, (all private property) other than that, those nv cats, resident only, will get valuable now. no more desert cats, ca az s.co.all shut down now. i think the human race is fast getting stupider. i keep thinking just like muskrats in a run off pond that over populate, something will happen to thin us out. starting to look like retardation from my seat.


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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237054
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Sad ... my take....until the courts allow the experts aka the state and federal wildlife biologists to have a stronger voice in these matters we will struggle.

Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7237073
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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237184
04/07/21 10:02 AM
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Those 35 lawmakers should be given a choice between sticking their hand or foot in an MB 550 or have someone set a 4/0 hook in their cheek, and see which one they’d pick. But then the same 35 would probably want to ban fishing also.

Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237204
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It sounds like dogs in traps was the main point the antis used to pull this off?


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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237208
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The bill passed by the legislature last week with a one-vote margin, and if signed it would prohibit leghold, body-gripping, and cage traps, as well as snares and poison, with few narrow exceptions for pest control and research.

The bill’s sponsors and supporters say this is a necessary step to prevent injury for pets and people, according to the Albuquerque Journal. It’s nicknamed “Roxy’s Law” after a dog that was killed in an illegal snare outside Santa Fe in 2018.

“This bill is about making sure New Mexicans can enjoy their public lands,” sponsor Rep. Matthew McQueen said. “People want to be able to feel safe coming here and enjoying them.”


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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237216
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Most trapping on public lands in New Mexico will become illegal if the governor signs SB 32, the “Wildlife Conservation & Public Safety Act.” The bill passed by the legislature last week with a one-vote margin, and if signed it would prohibit leghold, body-gripping, and cage traps, as well as snares and poison, with few narrow exceptions for pest control and research.

The bill’s sponsors and supporters say this is a necessary step to prevent injury for pets and people, according to the Albuquerque Journal. It’s nicknamed “Roxy’s Law” after a dog that was killed in an illegal snare outside Santa Fe in 2018.

“This bill is about making sure New Mexicans can enjoy their public lands,” sponsor Rep. Matthew McQueen said. “People want to be able to feel safe coming here and enjoying them.”

The New Mexico Wildlife Federation and many other conservation groups are strongly opposed to the bill and have lobbied hard against it. They point to the fact that the New Mexico Fish & Game Commission enacted new limits on trapping methods and equipment only last year, as well as mandatory certification classes and prohibitions on trapping near population centers and trailheads. Those regulations have only been in effect for a few months.

Jesse Deubel, executive director of the NMWF, told MeatEater that the new rules should be allowed to work before scrapping the entire system. He believes that trapping is an important wildlife conservation tool and a legitimate use of renewable wildlife resources.

Deubel said that animal rights activists working to ban trapping commonly present highly emotional reports about the inadvertent trapping of pets. However, nearly all these incidents involved illegal, unregistered traps. He said that his organization believes it is “fundamentally unfair” to hold the state’s responsible trappers accountable for the actions of a few scofflaws. Outlawing trapping in response to these incidents would be equivalent to outlawing hunting statewide in response to a few poachers.

“The narrative tends to be around pets being caught in traps. Sure, it’s tragic, but it’s not like this is happening all over the place,” Deubel said. “The narrative around it has been tourists don’t want to come to New Mexico because it’s too dangerous to recreate on our public lands. I spend more days a year on public land in New Mexico than probably most people and never once have I ever been concerned about the fact that there’s traps out there. In fact, you almost never ever see one. The majority of the conflicts that have occurred are illegal trap sets.”

Deubel said that animal rights groups have been trying to pass a trapping ban in New Mexico for a decade now, viewing the practice as low-hanging fruit in a wider effort to end hunting and other traditional pursuits.

“The earlier versions of the bill were completely unrealistic,” he said. “It would have made it illegal for you to use a mouse trap around your home. Even one of those glue traps to catch cockroaches would have been illegal.”

The latest iteration of that effort passed the New Mexico Senate 23-16 but hung in the House at 34-34 during three hours of fierce debate, broken by a vote in favor from Rep. Susan Herrera.

The bill does not apply to trapping on private lands or tribal lands. However, it allows Native Americans to continue trapping on public lands to harvest animals for “ceremonial or religious purposes.”

Rep. Derrick Lente of the Sandia Pueblo reservation raised concern during debate that if this bill passes, any further trapping issues might then be blamed on Native Americans. According to Deubel, Lente also expressed concern about the messaging from anti-trapping activists who are willing to call the practice archaic, barbaric, savage, and uncivilized, but say it’s alright for tribal members to do it.

“So, they claimed that it is 100% inappropriate and shouldn’t be happening unless you’re Native American,” Deubel said. “He’s like, ‘what is the messaging of that? Are you saying Native Americans are barbaric?’”

At this point, Deubel said, Native tribes and pueblos could present the only substantive opposition that could get Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham to veto the bill. However, he expects her to sign it with so much support from legislative leaders. If she does, the ban will go into effect on April 1, 2022.

“I am shocked that the state of New Mexico has voted to eliminate trapping on public lands,” said Ryan Callaghan, MeatEater’s director of conservation. “This is another step in the direction of only allowing the landed, the gentry, to harvest wildlife. I did not see this coming from New Mexico and I would encourage anyone who believes in public wildlife to write the governor immediately.”

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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237229
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Perhaps trappers and hunters should become members of anti groups so they can educate from within. If nothing else it’s a way to obtain a hot target list.


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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7237262
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Perhaps trappers and hunters should become members of anti groups so they can educate from within. If nothing else it’s a way to obtain a hot target list.


Something different needs to be done because the present strategy isn’t working.

Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7237267
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Perhaps trappers and hunters should become members of anti groups so they can educate from within. If nothing else it’s a way to obtain a hot target list.


Maybe but I think a better strategy would be to fight just like they do stressing the danger to pets and even children

By that I mean putting forth our own bills about dangerous pet predators called something like “pet predator protection bill” or “ child protection bill” ect all calling for the deregulation of hunting and trapping and other methods of eliminating animals dangerous to pets and children

I just think it would go over better with the public then arguing from a historic or traditional or even best interests way, just like the anti’s we have to switch from the form of argument based on science which most of the general public doesn’t understand or care about, to one based on feelings, it’s a lot harder arguing against protecting a well loved pet, or even better the safety of a child, then some scientific based theory that a large majority doesn’t really comprehend or want to

Not to mention calling up all those tearful pet owners that have had their pet torn apart or parents of a child savaged by a coyote, bobcat or other predator would do a lot more to change the public mindset then all the well reasoned scientific based arguments, no matter how reasonable and truthful they might be

It would also be a lot harder for the anti’s to counter because they could then be charged with not caring for pets or children a charge they will not want to have hanging on them, because it would hit them where it really hurts, in The revenue generation department

Even though we all know that exactly what they are



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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237292
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Nightlife, I agree that it's clear that using science and wildlife management as the main talking points doesn't work on the general population. I also agree that appealing to emotion is key. I'll add that another easily understood concept is money. One of the bill co-sponsors stated that the reason he created the bill was because trapping was keeping tourists from spending money to recreate in NM. NM was on my list for an out west hunting trip at some point in life. Now that SB 32 is passed, I will take my trip to another state. It would take a lot of Starbucks lattes from tourist hikers to add up to the $10,000-15,000 from just one cancelled big game hunting trip.

Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237328
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So get stupid with them?


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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237337
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Wildlife Conservation & Public Safety Act.

The name of the bill that outlaws even cage traps in the name of "Public Safety". Stunning.


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Originally Posted by drasselt
Wildlife Conservation & Public Safety Act.

The name of the bill that outlaws even cage traps in the name of "Public Safety". Stunning.


Like I posted on that other thread.....its fur and they're against it. Nothing else matters, traps, hunted, or ranched.

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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
So get stupid with them?



No use their own tactics and talking points against them

Their slowly winning because those tactics and talking points work with the vast majority of people that now live outside the natural world, and instead have been educated by Disney and TV animal shows that portray animals as fur covered people instead of as animals, they never see the disease or starvation or one killing another, it’s all nice nice



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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237391
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I don’t think we should be perpetuating emotional stupidity. It gives them footing and doesn’t bring to light the error of judgements rendered on emotion.

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Re: New Mexico- trapping ban [Re: yukon254] #7237464
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With all the "follow the science" we have heard on climate change, and covid the last few years. Maybe we should DEMAND that they "follow the science" on game management. I can't believe there is one study out there that says. Letting animals over populate their habitat and die off on account of disease or starvation is wise.

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I don't think any sate has a say on federal lands. So until this psycho head of the department of the interior who is from New Mexico does something most national lands should still be open. Or am I wrong. I'm just throwing that out there not saying it's gonna stick.


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