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Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7236870
04/06/21 10:31 PM
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I look at this way. A lot of theses Covid trillions the government is handing out go to leftist unions and liberal organizations that then turn around and donate the money back to the DNC. Rush taught me that when Obama was president and we had the shovel ready jobs bill that was almost a trillion. If you have a schedule F and qualify. Take the money and donate it to the NTA or any conservative group that is trustworthy. I donated all my COVID payments to Mission PreBorn and hopefully saved some babies.


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Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7236912
04/06/21 11:03 PM
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Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7236978
04/07/21 04:50 AM
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An easy way to search is type in PPP recipients in the county and state you're in and watch the results come in. Several people and companies are on there more than once. Those I'd like to see in jail for a few months or longer depending and fined up to 5 times the amount they got. There's a lot of places and people that got it and didn't make less money in any quarter. They also didn't have a disruption in business. This should've went to restaurants, hair salons and tourists type businesses. There are other businesses that were hurt as well but there are way more that weren't that got it. Once again it's sickening and t do wonder how many that got it and shouldn't of will thump their chest and say they're against big government, holler about taxes and whine about the debt?

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Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7236990
04/07/21 05:33 AM
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Lots of big grain farm operators on the list in my area. Diesel pickups must be about a year old and need replaced.

Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7236999
04/07/21 05:43 AM
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I know, I work in Cayton county and shake my head at that along with implement dealers, Co-ops, construction companies etc. I see hobby farmers got in on it too along with a guy that runs a few hoop nets and setlines. He got a little over 3 grand.

So I just went and typed in a friend's zip code and see that he got over 14 grand for feeding a few like 3 or 4 head of cattle a year mostly for himself and family. He always post on Facebook all the time hollering about liberals and government over reach. He has a full time job as his few head of cattle isn't going to support him.

Got another friend that's a 1 man trucking owner that got over 16 grand total. He's had an above average year trucking. He's going on vacation and we're watching their house and cats. I guess I'm helping pay for his vacation.

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Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237050
04/07/21 07:14 AM
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Pottawatamie co. IA
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So if a trapper who files his taxes and claims all his income claimed 30,000 in fur sales in 2019, trapped as hard in 19-20 season and could not get them sold at auction in Canada because of covid and then the auction house gave them away for pennies on the dollar would that trapper be considered a dead beat if he applied and received a loan, gift, handout or was he getting back some of the money he paid taxes on for decades? Was it his fault? I will wait to see some responses.

The qualification for a schedule C self employed business is that you must have lost 25% of your annual gross sales. Some of you fellows need to read up on a few things before commenting. There is fraud in everything the government puts its hand to. With out this program a lot more folks would be on the tit because they would have been out a job. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237071
04/07/21 07:37 AM
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Im still trying to find in the constitution where it says the gov. will protect your business and make sure your employee's don't loose their jobs, pay for your food, etc. from cradle to grave.

But no use in arguing over it 30 trillion in debt and adding to it every day, enjoy these days as they are the GOOD OL TIMES. The future is dark, very dark.


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Re: PPP loans [Re: Jtrapper] #7237079
04/07/21 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Im still trying to find in the constitution where it says the gov. will protect your business and make sure your employee's don't loose their jobs, pay for your food, etc. from cradle to grave.

But no use in arguing over it 30 trillion in debt and adding to it every day, enjoy these days as they are the GOOD OL TIMES. The future is dark, very dark.


See if you can find where they can tax you from cradle to grave while you are looking. Lots of people took money from the gubment that did not need it. That happens every day. Lots of us still go to work every day and pay taxes so illegals can come in and be welcomed. They have better insurance and benefits than I have as a self employed business man. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237142
04/07/21 08:58 AM
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I run a hobby farm, something most of you would mock. I do about 35K a year in sales while working a full time job elsewhere. A large part of my customer base is restaurants and farmers markets. Covid shut them both down. When the PPP "loans" came out with the mention of it later becoming a grant I chose not to enroll or take payment for several reasons. First and foremost I didn't trust the "grant" part "down the road" and I wasn't going to go into debt on a business with zero debt. I could have closed the doors and done nothing and been out nothing more than my annual start up cost for seed/soil/and supplies (about 5k).
I reorganized how we deliver to customers and how we make sales and put more effort in the areas I could exploit. I finished a whopping $150 behind 2019 in sales for 2020. Considering 2/3 of my sales outlets were gone - not too shabby. Meanwhile I watched at least 50 business take the loans and either shutdown for good or take it when they didn't need it. Made me wonder how people slept at night. The SBA was pushing hard for people to take this. With that said I may not have qualified in the end as I it's not my primary income and I have only two employees besides myself.


"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. "
--Mark Twain.

Re: PPP loans [Re: LLtrapper] #7237149
04/07/21 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
So if a trapper who files his taxes and claims all his income claimed 30,000 in fur sales in 2019, trapped as hard in 19-20 season and could not get them sold at auction in Canada because of covid and then the auction house gave them away for pennies on the dollar would that trapper be considered a dead beat if he applied and received a loan, gift, handout or was he getting back some of the money he paid taxes on for decades? Was it his fault? I will wait to see some responses.

The qualification for a schedule C self employed business is that you must have lost 25% of your annual gross sales. Some of you fellows need to read up on a few things before commenting. There is fraud in everything the government puts its hand to. With out this program a lot more folks would be on the tit because they would have been out a job. LLL


"You take the Kings coin, you work for the King."

You invited them into your life, remember that if this whole thing goes tits up.

Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237155
04/07/21 09:21 AM
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First off I think you all aren't seeing all the good it has done for people. I know first hand that at least three people would have lost their jobs with me without PPP. My business would not have gone under but I could in no way have paid everyone through this once in a lifetime, life altering event. So these people are either still actively employed in thanks to the government, or sitting at home doing nothing and getting the same amount, thanks to state and government. Take your pick.


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Re: PPP loans [Re: Jtrapper] #7237158
04/07/21 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Jtrapper
Im still trying to find in the constitution where it says the gov. will protect your business and make sure your employee's don't loose their jobs, pay for your food, etc. from cradle to grave.

But no use in arguing over it 30 trillion in debt and adding to it every day, enjoy these days as they are the GOOD OL TIMES. The future is dark, very dark.


It doesn't say in the constitution that people have the right to be outspoken jack wagons but you read it on here everyday?


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Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237165
04/07/21 09:31 AM
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Pottawatamie co. IA
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I have been paying the king all my life. Never took anything from anyone that I did not give him first. You act like it is not already tits up. How many pay into SSI and Medicare all their lives only to die young and not get anything in return. Small business/ self employed usually on average pay 31% Federal tax. The State gets their cut county gets theirs, city too and then they tax you another 7% when you buy anything.

I think the King was supposed to work for me but that is not how it is. Most complaining here probably are retired living on SSI, don't pay tax on their fur or work a job where they are taxed very little.

They think nothing of taking advantage of every tax loop hole they can. I would call it gaming the system. Taking this money is totally the same as that in my humble opinion. I wish I could get it from Canada since they are the one's who locked down the auctions and still are. Maybe get BOZO to send us some money. lol, LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237174
04/07/21 09:48 AM
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Like anything a lot of abuses but just read in our local paper a lot of businesses are now having to return the monies and some being charged with fraud.

Re: PPP loans [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7237191
04/07/21 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by WyFurHarvesters
Like anything a lot of abuses but just read in our local paper a lot of businesses are now having to return the monies and some being charged with fraud.


Good to hear. As a taxpayer I hate fraud of all kind. Tax cheats are the worst. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237242
04/07/21 11:38 AM
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Wow, that was an eye opener checking the surrounding counties. Pretty unbelievable some of the amounts that some people are getting. I know a lot of these people on a very personal level, and know that they didn't suffer one bit from Covid. One that was pretty peculiar to me was seeing the amount of money that churches got. I thought they were tax exempt? If so, why are they getting paid out from taxpayer money?

Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237264
04/07/21 11:58 AM
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Most people have been applying in the hope of not having to pay it back in many cases.


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Re: PPP loans [Re: riverbank] #7237279
04/07/21 12:28 PM
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The idea behind the program is that it is for workers who would be laid off. Rather than having people in collect unemployment, employers were given loans and grants to keep them employed. Workers at nonprofits and for profits could benefit because all these workers themselves pay taxes. It wasn't supposed to be a benefit to companies and a lot of companies who had low payroll taxes but high other costs saw no help

Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237320
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Here is another link to use to see what your neighbors raked in from PPP “loans”. This link shows recipients who received less than $150,000 also.

https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/search?q=

It seems every farmer around me got over $20,000. No wonder all the car lots don’t have any pickups in them.

Re: PPP loans [Re: Wolfdog91] #7237358
04/07/21 03:34 PM
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Much of the stimulus money went to blue states that were in trouble financially. NY for instance got something like 80B which still doesn't satisfy their debt. CA got a similar amount. Much of this money was sent overseas to countries for some of the craziest reasons imaginable.


Why is Dr. Fauci so silent on the Covid risk from Biden opening the border wide open?
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