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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238783
04/09/21 12:06 AM
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It needs to be a partnership. If I can’t trust them, it’s not going to work. Things seem shady to me right now.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238799
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All this dissatisfaction is a sign of capitulation?

A Nafa agent once told me “you’re only as good as your LAST sale”. Whereas I replied. No, you’re only as good as your NEXT sale. He chuckled at that.

A testimony to the challenges of “trust”, the scrutiny of decisions. And the interpretation of the fallout.

Last edited by nimzy; 04/09/21 12:38 AM.
Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238801
04/09/21 12:46 AM
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I just dropped off a string of coyotes and a sack of rats with the local receiving agent. I'm thinking the coyotes will do ok regardless and that things might be perking up with the rats. We'll see.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7238950
04/09/21 09:27 AM
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wissmiss being a buyer at the auction are you planning on giving 20 to 30 dollar averages on coon and record highs on other fur bet it woudnt take them long to put that on the internet if you did

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239088
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LL if you have shipped so much fur I'm sure you have read the conditions of sale. #7 They will sell your fur at their discretion. You Knew what you were getting into when you sent your fur there. Being so you didn't trap this year evidently you couldn't find any place better in this market. So unwad your panties and suck it up buttercup. cry

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: teepee2] #7239303
04/09/21 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by teepee2
LL if you have shipped so much fur I'm sure you have read the conditions of sale. #7 They will sell your fur at their discretion. You Knew what you were getting into when you sent your fur there. Being so you didn't trap this year evidently you couldn't find any place better in this market. So unwad your panties and suck it up buttercup. cry

Tell that to the guys NAFA screwed. We have one auction house left and I doubt they have any interest in more fur. Maybe more state association sales could help fill a void. FHA doesn't have the facilities, tech savvy manpower or ambition to anything more than a small Canadian trapper led company. Nothing wrong with that but sure would like to see some forward thinking people come up with other options. The market might actually be on the upswing for a few years with few ranch mink being produced


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: teepee2] #7239358
04/09/21 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by teepee2
LL if you have shipped so much fur I'm sure you have read the conditions of sale. #7 They will sell your fur at their discretion. You Knew what you were getting into when you sent your fur there. Being so you didn't trap this year evidently you couldn't find any place better in this market. So unwad your panties and suck it up buttercup. cry


Who are you toilet paper two? Where does it say they can lie and that is ok. They told us they were not going to sell them PT and did. How much fur do you have up there? I did not trap because there was no money to be made. Why add to the injury? Did not know I had to run my business past you. LLL


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239577
04/09/21 11:03 PM
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Larry, you had to learn the hard way. FHA has told us many times they are going to "hold" the line so to speak and then did the opposite.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239600
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They said one thing and did another, sounds like politicians have taken over FHA.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239603
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They said one thing and did another, sounds like politicians have taken over FHA.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239689
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Conditions change that often require different strategy. Someone that has to get income from fur most likely shouldn’t ship to auction house, take guarantee money locally. The fur market sucks, I bought fur for almost 10 years and none of my arrangements are currently in existence.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239710
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The spring selling season of 2014 was the last time the auctions were a viable choice, barely. In a hot market the auctions are great, in a climate like this a very poor choice.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Steven 49er] #7239716
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Larry, you had to learn the hard way. FHA has told us many times they are going to "hold" the line so to speak and then did the opposite.



Holding the line stalls cash flow, increases risk, requires additional handling and creates storage fees that can only be recovered with significant pelt price increases. As sellers we need to recognize the current environment. When things are bad we must expect bad things.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239743
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FHA for all their good intentions are simply the equivalent of Class A Baseball !! Kids that are never going to make it! As a Buisnessman I find it in inconceivable that an organization that is operating within a Worldwide Market can be so tech antiquated and fundamentally inferior to what actually takes to operate competitively in the Worldwide market place. I personally have no I'll feelings towards them.as they are trying to provide us with a market resource in the toughest of conditions but they drop the ball repeatedly when it comes to communication with their shippers and I can only assume are as inept when dealing with clients which is not to reassuring.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Guy Johnson] #7239765
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Originally Posted by Guy Johnson
FHA for all their good intentions are simply the equivalent of Class A Baseball !! Kids that are never going to make it! As a Buisnessman I find it in inconceivable that an organization that is operating within a Worldwide Market can be so tech antiquated and fundamentally inferior to what actually takes to operate competitively in the Worldwide market place. I personally have no I'll feelings towards them.as they are trying to provide us with a market resource in the toughest of conditions but they drop the ball repeatedly when it comes to communication with their shippers and I can only assume are as inept when dealing with clients which is not to reassuring.


Key word competitive. They really no longer have any in this business model.

Nafa was far and away savvy. However all that savvy can create suspicion and irritate shippers.

Perhaps FHA found flaw in that and believes simplistic carries a more “honest” vibe? Just spitballing

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: nimzy] #7239784
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Again as I said I don't have any beef with FHA except that I observe them pretending to be in the big leagues when in fact we all know that they simply are not, they are earnest in their desire to be but in t h.g.h e Market place they are country yokels!

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239787
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any one that has been at this for a few years know that fha sale most of the time followed nafas sale what nafa did fha did sell held for hopfully higher prices what ever have you heard once of a action company visiting buyers across the water after nafa closed if you look at the sales they get less every year at fha you guys wanting to see better prices better hope some thing besides groney and fha happens

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Rat Masterson] #7239799
04/10/21 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
They said one thing and did another, sounds like politicians have taken over FHA.


I believe they hired a lot of former NAFA employees. Seems like it. smile

If you guys don't think NAFA could screw up or lie, check out Doilette.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239823
04/10/21 10:08 AM
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Is it Furharvesters fault if the "line" was that low. 6.67 avg on eastern coon seems decent in this market.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7239842
04/10/21 10:37 AM
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In the last few years of Nafa's existence many felt that their grading had gone downhill, eroding buyers confidence. In that regard FHA had them beat, in particular when it came to beaver.


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