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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239207
04/09/21 03:46 PM
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The same people that want to take your guns, to make everyone safe, want to to take a shot to make everyone safe. You know for the good of all.


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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239265
04/09/21 05:12 PM
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After some research Danny you are correct. I stand corrected. I would have never realized they were so available and didn't need a serial number of any kind. It is good and bad as I didn't know the subject matter very well but now I'll have to buy a dozen.


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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239283
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if you know what your doing, you can put an AR lower together in 20 minutes, how long does it take to put a lower in a jig, drill 2 holes and slap an upper on it? but my opinion is its none of the governments business, you do not need a serial number if you never sell it!

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239316
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I need to learn how to do this.


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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239415
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Good luck finding any 80% lowers at the moment. I been looking for a while now with no luck


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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239428
04/09/21 08:58 PM
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Uppers aren't much better. Or at least cheap enough to where you might as buy a complete gun.

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Ridge Runner1960] #7239429
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
if you know what your doing, you can put an AR lower together in 20 minutes, how long does it take to put a lower in a jig, drill 2 holes and slap an upper on it? but my opinion is its none of the governments business, you do not need a serial number if you never sell it!

You need to mill out the trigger pocket without messing something up then drill the 3 holes (trigger and hammer pins and safety). You will have about an hour in the milling if you take your time and be careful to not mess things up. Then if you are looking for a great fit you will mill it a bit small and polish in the sidewalls with a file so add a bit more time for being picky. After this is done you can put your lpk in in about 20 minutes more. And yes it is none of the govs business if you want to build one yourself. wink

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239470
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You can mill out a lower with a router. A friend told me that.:)


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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: newtoga] #7239489
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Originally Posted by newtoga
You can mill out a lower with a router. A friend told me that.:)

I heard the same thing, was also told by a friend that there is a learning curve and you should take a little extra time to do a nice job. Friend said things can and will go wrong like the router jumping and causing a big gouge, or the depth gauge slipping and milling a mouse hole right out the bottom on you last pass, you know murphys law type stuff. whistle

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Scuba1] #7239553
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Good luck finding any 80% lowers at the moment. I been looking for a while now with no luck


Have you ever messed with the polymer lowers? Like Tennessee arms ?

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Ridge Runner1960] #7239574
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Good luck finding any 80% lowers at the moment. I been looking for a while now with no luck



They were out there but who knows after the announcement.

Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
if you know what your doing, you can put an AR lower together in 20 minutes, how long does it take to put a lower in a jig, drill 2 holes and slap an upper on it? but my opinion is its none of the governments business, you do not need a serial number if you never sell it!


Technically you can sell a complete gun built with an 80 percent lower.

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239580
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you can still buy 80% here is one with a jig but not the tooling , I have not tried this particular one

https://www.80-lower.com/products/hybrid-80-liberator-ar15-80-lower-and-jig/?


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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7239586
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the router method works , it is slow , plan an afternoon , make small passes , use the 80% lowers jig

clean it out after every pass with a vacuum or compressed air

with the jig the router uses a bushing that rides the jig without damaging the jig

you get a satisfactory part in a couple hours

milling them the set up if your trying to get a good product is most of the work , the end mill used is rather ingenious , but an odd size

if you made a jig to hold the lower and made a zero point off of that , you could probably speed it up some , in machining figuring out how to hold something strait and true is the hard part

the level if finish is a lot of what takes more time

an hour might be if you had done a bunch of them or if you had a jig built for the mill.


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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Jacob W] #7239775
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Originally Posted by Jacob W
Originally Posted by Scuba1
Good luck finding any 80% lowers at the moment. I been looking for a while now with no luck

https://jtactical.com/products/61

That's where I got mine

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7240177
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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7240267
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I just bought 2, didnít read all the above comments. My brother in law has done 2 has about 600 in both of them (Glock style). What he ran into was to get it running good and cycling he had to buy a mix match of gen. Parts. So basically he had to buy numerous gen 2 and gen 3 kits. The springs where the biggest part is what he found out. His words was they are fun to build but itís about the same as buying a Glock from the store. On the other hand my brother builds ARís and can build one for around the same price 600 and usually sells them for about 1100.

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7240274
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Has anyone used a harbour freight milling vise on a drill press to do this . It looks like the ticket for those that would like somthing more exact than a router https://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-cross-slide-vise-64116.html

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Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Bigfoot] #7240332
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot
Has anyone used a harbour freight milling vise on a drill press to do this . It looks like the ticket for those that would like somthing more exact than a router https://www.harborfreight.com/5-in-cross-slide-vise-64116.html

Thats what I use. Not the greatest setup. But works. Take your time and drill as many holes as possible before you mill. I used a set of cheap end mill bits from ebay also.

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: nvwrangler] #7240346
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Originally Posted by nvwrangler
Originally Posted by Scuba1
Good luck finding any 80% lowers at the moment. I been looking for a while now with no luck


Have you ever messed with the polymer lowers? Like Tennessee arms ?

Get the lower with carbon in it

Re: Gun kits with no serial number??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7240388
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You guys obviously don't know anything about guns!

If it has a serial number, it cannot be used to commit a crime.

You'd think a bunch of Trappers would be smarter than this.

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