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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: SNIPERBBB] #7239063
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
That's why climate change alarmism is more religious debate than science. You cannot test theories on climate change. You can get observational data easily but never can you actually test your theories. Even if we're possible to test the effects of seeding the atmosphere with any type of particles it would never be allowed. It would be like playing Russian roulette with a double barreled shotgun.


Your 4 1/2 million/billion whateverillion years is more religion than science.

Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: Yukon John] #7239081
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People can’t fathom how long a billion years is. To try to say what happened here 3.8 billion years ago is a guess...like a fairytale movie...made up.


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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: BernieB.] #7239097
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
That's why climate change alarmism is more religious debate than science. You cannot test theories on climate change. You can get observational data easily but never can you actually test your theories. Even if we're possible to test the effects of seeding the atmosphere with any type of particles it would never be allowed. It would be like playing Russian roulette with a double barreled shotgun.


Your 4 1/2 million/billion whateverillion years is more religion than science.
missing the point a bit here.

There's even more recent events that point out that Earth is more resilient than it's given credit for. Take as an example the oil leak in the Gulf a few years ago. Yes some of that got washed up on the coast and gave people heartache but most of it just got eaten up by the ocean. Oil leaks from the seabed all the time. Forest fires bring about new growth, etc.

Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: white17] #7239305
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Originally Posted by white17
Seems to me that it is worth investigating. Or would you prefer Biden just eliminate internal combustion engines by executive order ?

We already seed clouds to create rain. Why is it so ridiculous ?


because it might be irreversible.

Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: Yukon John] #7239532
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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: Yukon John] #7239618
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I saw a documentary years ago, called The Global Warming Myth. One of the two founders of Greenpeace quit and called BS on the whole thing... using scientific fact to disprove CO2 levels were causing the change. In ice core samples they've found much higher levels over the last 5000 years.

They explained that if it weren't for the particulate matter in the stratosphere, and the reflective properties of water droplets forming around those particles, the earth would be much warmer. Only 350 years ago the Thames river in London would freeze thick enough to hold horse drawn wagons.

Things change.

Pete

Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: Yukon John] #7239719
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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: white17] #7239734
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Originally Posted by white17
Seems to me that it is worth investigating. Or would you prefer Biden just eliminate internal combustion engines by executive order ?

We already seed clouds to create rain. Why is it so ridiculous ?


what are the odds that "they" would get the process/amount PRECISELY correct?

but even if they could get it right, what are the odds that every climate variable would stay the same forever? what happens when the sun's output is reduced from time to time? or one more volcano erupts that they hadn't planned for? or...

isn't it likely that "dimming" the sun's influence on Earth would have unintended consequences that mere mortals cannot POSSIBLY predict?

THAT'S why the concept is so ridiculous!

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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: Yukon John] #7239792
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The idea has not been endorsed by the pudgy AlGore. Therefore it has no credibility.

Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: Yukon John] #7239833
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What about agriculture crops, meaning food. Lets dim the sun and all starve to death? Plants need a certain amount of sun light to produce fruit.

Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: gcs] #7239857
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Originally Posted by gcs
Any attempts to "control" the environment has to confront the law of unintended consequences.... especially on the scale that might actually alter anything.

So....what happens if the atmosphere is "seeded" to lower tempertures and we then have a spate of large volcanic activity??....


This^^^

Gates' idea might have some true merit... But what happens if it works and then some unpredictable natural occurrence coincides with seeding the atmosphere? A decent volcanic eruption... An asteroid strike... Etc...

On the upside, fur night be worth something again.

Mike


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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: white marlin] #7239921
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by white17
Seems to me that it is worth investigating. Or would you prefer Biden just eliminate internal combustion engines by executive order ?

We already seed clouds to create rain. Why is it so ridiculous ?


what are the odds that "they" would get the process/amount PRECISELY correct?

but even if they could get it right, what are the odds that every climate variable would stay the same forever? what happens when the sun's output is reduced from time to time? or one more volcano erupts that they hadn't planned for? or...

isn't it likely that "dimming" the sun's influence on Earth would have unintended consequences that mere mortals cannot POSSIBLY predict?

THAT'S why the concept is so ridiculous!




There is no question that there are unknowns about what COULD happen. All the more reason to do some research.

Recall that when the first atomic bomb was tested, the scientists did not know whether or not all oxygen in the area would be consumed........suffocating all the observers. But they did it any way.

Look at all the tons of particulates and gases we emit into the atmosphere daily.

For example, Just the electricity required to mine Bitcoin worldwide puts 60 million tones of particulates and CO2 into the atmosphere annually.
I don't really think releasing four and a half ( 4.5) POUNDS of water-soluable Tums into the atmosphere, is a recipe for Armageddon.


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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: Mike in A-town] #7239924
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Originally Posted by gcs
Any attempts to "control" the environment has to confront the law of unintended consequences.... especially on the scale that might actually alter anything.

So....what happens if the atmosphere is "seeded" to lower tempertures and we then have a spate of large volcanic activity??....


This^^^

Gates' idea might have some true merit... But what happens if it works and then some unpredictable natural occurrence coincides with seeding the atmosphere? A decent volcanic eruption... An asteroid strike... Etc...

On the upside, fur night be worth something again.

Mike



Those are very valid possibilities that should certainly be discussed and researched, IMO.

But let's also make sure we are clear that this is NOT Gates' idea. It is his money funding the research. The ideas are from the engineers and geophysicists at Harvard.


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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: white17] #7239938
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Originally Posted by white17
The ideas are from the engineers and geophysicists at Harvard.


that doesn't exactly make me sleep any better...

Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: white marlin] #7239943
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by white17
The ideas are from the engineers and geophysicists at Harvard.


that doesn't exactly make me sleep any better...



I hear ya where Harvard is concerned


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Re: Bill Gates, Dim The Sun [Re: Yukon John] #7239973
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How are we going to get enough solar energy to power our electric vechiles or grow organic veggies like Chaz did


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