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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: Garryowen] #7239832
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Originally Posted by Garryowen
I think they are taking small steps at first to gauge the response from the people. If nothing happens or it quickly blows over more will come.
Garryowen

I agree. It seems to me Biden made a pretty tepid step with what he suggested. A trial balloon. The left is taking very calculated steps to insure we have no means to stop their advance. We're spectators to our own country's suicide.

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Originally Posted by flash
Think about that for a moment. That right there would break the camels back...... Both sides of the aisle should be up in arms over that statement. The courts should be up in arms over that statement. Heck, every American should be up in arms over that statement!! One word comes to mind, how many died on the field for our FREEDOM.........

You're not wrong.


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: Posco] #7239837
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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by Garryowen
I think they are taking small steps at first to gauge the response from the people. If nothing happens or it quickly blows over more will come.
Garryowen

I agree. It seems to me Biden made a pretty tepid step with what he suggested. A trial balloon. The left is taking very calculated steps to insure we have no means to stop their advance. We're spectators to our own country's suicide.


I disagree.


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Originally Posted by Garryowen
I think they are taking small steps at first to gauge the response from the people. If nothing happens or it quickly blows over more will come.

They have to pack the US Supreme Court first. After that anything can happen.

Garryowen


Made this exact point to my brother yesterday. What we are seeing are test runs.....by our government, the chinese, the russians. All to gage our level of tolerance and compliance and to see the economic and social impact of each new run.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: maintenanceguy] #7239840
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They understand and fear the following and is the main reason they want to take away gun rights. I have seen a civil war and it's something we want to avoid at all cost. There is nothing China would like more. I am sure they have a hand in this division.



Originally Posted by maintenanceguy
Originally Posted by Posco
This country is going to come to blows, there's no way around it. A house divided against itself cannot stand.


Then let's get on with it. I don't want to leave the problem to my kids.


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7239847
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I disagree.


In what way?

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7239849
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Garry They are taking steps as you suggest. We can only hope more folks see behind the curtains of their doings. Also, my feelings are the national debt is a ploy to run us into the ground and make us more dependent on the government for all things. They've started with the military to weed out those that swore the oath to the constitution but is my understanding that most are on to them and will not turn on their brothers and sisters. A few happenings in the Coast Guard/Home land defense have occurred that has made we smile and given me hope too. Won't get into that for good reasons.... I knew it was going to be bad but holy cow.......

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: jtg] #7239861
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Originally Posted by jtg
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

So the amendment is not saying a state is required to, or has a right to, keep a well regulated militia. It's saying that because a well regulated militia (army) is necessary to keep a free state secure, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

So the whole point of the amendment is to say the people have a right to keep and bear arms.

The word "regulated" is not meant technically in the modern, contemporary use of the word. Regulated in the context of the amendment means a potent, well-maintained, sufficiently powerful to protect the state.

I've often thought the Founders believed that citizens should be able to carry the same arms as their military counterparts. By their use of regulated, I wonder if the Founders believed that training should be involved with such military type firearms?


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7239933
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Technically, Biden's right: the Bill of Rights generally isn't absolute. This is true of the First Amendment--you can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

And it's just as true of the Second. You don't have the right to all the weapons of our modern military without regulation.

As for the fantasy that a bunch of keyboard warriors will really take up arms, I won't be joining in.

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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7239935
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Originally Posted by James
Technically, Biden's right: the Bill of Rights generally isn't absolute. This is true of the First Amendment--you can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

And it's just as true of the Second. You don't have the right to all the weapons of our modern military without regulation.

As for the fantasy that a bunch of keyboard warriors will really take up arms, I won't be joining in.

Jim

I respectfully find your points very weak in substance in light of the agenda that is being brought forward presently

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Originally Posted by James
Technically, Biden's right: the Bill of Rights generally isn't absolute. This is true of the First Amendment--you can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

And it's just as true of the Second. You don't have the right to all the weapons of our modern military without regulation.

As for the fantasy that a bunch of keyboard warriors will really take up arms, I won't be joining in.

Jim

True colors! You do have the right to those arms, It just has been suspended by the NFA.

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The NFA was enacted decades ago, and no one's taken up arms yet.

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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7239957
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Originally Posted by James
The NFA was enacted decades ago, and no one's taken up arms yet.

Jim


I tend to agree to a point.

The most often quoted phrase is " shall not be infringed ".
Another phrase not mentioned, or a single word I should say is " regulated". This has always confused me when reading the entire second.

"A well regulated militia". What did they mean by regulated??

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Don't know what he said, but the snowflake's back. Does he seem sober this time?

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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7239964
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James I would be pleased to hear you explain the meaning, intent and purpose of the 2nd amendment particular the right of a well regulated militia based on the Founders purpose for it. It seems to me the purpose for its existence is being full realized before our eyes.Their foresight only seems to strength the need and importance of it in today's political atmosphere.

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Originally Posted by hippie
Originally Posted by James
The NFA was enacted decades ago, and no one's taken up arms yet.

Jim


I tend to agree to a point.

The most often quoted phrase is " shall not be infringed ".
Another phrase not mentioned, or a single word I should say is " regulated". This has always confused me when reading the entire second.

"A well regulated militia". What did they mean by regulated??


Aha! You'e hit on why those are wrong who say the Second Amendment is absolute and unequivocal.

The Second Amendment wasn't handed down by God on a stone tablet. Its language is a compromise, a deal hammered out in back rooms between those who wanted the individual right to bear arms versus those who feared the Mob of common folk being armed. It was sausage being made.

Jim

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
James I would be pleased to hear you explain the meaning, intent and purpose of the 2nd amendment particular the right of a well regulated militia based on the Founders purpose for it. It seems to me the purpose for its existence is being full realized before our eyes.Their foresight only seems to strength the need and importance of it in today's political atmosphere.


Yes sir, you're asking for a long lecture, a real dissertation. Why don't you ask a specific question, and we'll run it up the flagpole and talk about it.

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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7239978
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Originally Posted by James
Technically, Biden's right: the Bill of Rights generally isn't absolute. This is true of the First Amendment--you can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

And it's just as true of the Second. You don't have the right to all the weapons of our modern military without regulation.

As for the fantasy that a bunch of keyboard warriors will really take up arms, I won't be joining in.

Jim



Actually, you CAN shout fire in a crowded theater.................if there is a fire.

Holmes' statement......which was not a legal ruling but an analogy.......is almost ALWAYS misquoted.

He actually referred to.................... "falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic"...."


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