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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: hippie] #7240050
04/10/21 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hippie


I wasn't insinuating it wasn't absolute, it is for our country, its what made our country. I agree our second amendment rights were not God given, its been documented our founders copied that from from the British (English) constitution. (which their people allowed them to trample)

I'm just wondering what they meant by a "regulated militia"?



According to Justice Scalia, the phrase "well regulated" meant 'disciplined', at the time of the writing, and that possession of firearms..or ARMS had no relationship to whether a person was part of any militia group


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: Yes sir] #7240052
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Originally Posted by Yes sir

I believe based on letters written by the framers on the laws of this country, others documents written in that Era, laws passed by those people and early judicial interpretation that it it very clear what the intention was even if the actual wording of the Constitution may leave room for other meanings. With that in mind any effort to lessen, change, deviate or restrict that right(knowingly or unknowingly) to any law abiding free citizen of this country is an act of treason against this nation and its people. And I fully believe the powers in control are knowingly undermining the intent of the law.


yup. Stand Tall.


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7240053
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Jtg, I haven't read the Heller decision in a while, but I believe you're tracking that result. I agree with you and the Court in that decision.

Jim


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7240057
04/10/21 02:13 PM
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My God given right to defend myself from evil is not dependent on some people in black robes interpretation of it....those God given rights were not given to me by the constitution, God gave them to me.


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: white17] #7240059
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Originally Posted by white17
Originally Posted by hippie


I wasn't insinuating it wasn't absolute, it is for our country, its what made our country. I agree our second amendment rights were not God given, its been documented our founders copied that from from the British (English) constitution. (which their people allowed them to trample)

I'm just wondering what they meant by a "regulated militia"?



According to Justice Scalia, the phrase "well regulated" meant 'disciplined', at the time of the writing, and that possession of firearms..or ARMS had no relationship to whether a person was part of any militia group





Thanks Ken, I've often wondered about that word being inserted and hadn't heard anyone's interpitation of it before.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: trapdog1] #7240060
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
James, you've already demonstrated you don't care about your 2A rights. I know you said you didn't think creepy joe was serious, but I know you're not that stupid.


You guys need to make up your minds: am I stupid, or clever?

Jim


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7240062
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by trapdog1
James, you've already demonstrated you don't care about your 2A rights. I know you said you didn't think creepy joe was serious, but I know you're not that stupid.


You guys need to make up your minds: am I stupid, or clever?

Jim


Educated, but if I say more you might be offended. wink

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7240072
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Well, James. I am in complete agreement to work within our established political system. Trying to stack the Supreme Court, is not working within our established political system. Messing around with 2nd, does nothing more than divide us and take power away from the people. As far as to hide or dispose guns, my question would be from whom? And why should we give away power to Congress, who have proven they can not be trusted.

Originally Posted by James
I'm reasonably fat and happy. Content with my life.

I feel no compelling reason to put my and my family's lives at risk by doing something stupid, like what happened on January 6.

I'm not going to war over my right to own an AR. I may hide mine or otherwise dispose of it, but I ain't taking up arms over it.

I'll work within our established political system--Congress, the courts, and local officials--to try to preserve our rights.

Jim


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7240075
04/10/21 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by James
I'm reasonably fat and happy. Content with my life.

I feel no compelling reason to put my and my family's lives at risk by doing something stupid, like what happened on January 6.

I'm not going to war over my right to own an AR. I may hide mine or otherwise dispose of it, but I ain't taking up arms over it.

I'll work within our established political system--Congress, the courts, and local officials--to try to preserve our rights.

Jim

You have went from discussing the legal intent of the 2nd to stating your personal actions if those rights are terminated I believe because further discussions will lead to your past points and actions supporting current movements as being wrong. When the freedoms we have lived under are gone I hope your around for your grand children to ask why the people allowed those freedoms to be taken away. The ignorance of mankind will prevail as with every other great society in history. We think we are so intelligent and in that lies our ignorance. Without a higher moral code given from a higher being than ourselves we will continue to choke on our own arrogance, greed, laziness and pride.
I will agree that the above political options must be exhausted before arms are taken but we are nearing that point and as the intent of the 2nd stipulates we should be prepared.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7240078
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by trapdog1
James, you've already demonstrated you don't care about your 2A rights. I know you said you didn't think creepy joe was serious, but I know you're not that stupid.


You guys need to make up your minds: am I stupid, or clever?

Jim

Intelligent but misguided is my take based what I've seen. Motivated by unfavorable events in your life. But mostly speculation on my part without knowing you better.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7240079
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You guys need to make up your minds: am I stupid, or clever?

Jim
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I would say drunk .

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7240087
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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: bowhunter27295] #7240107
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So who will we take up arms against?

Who is the enemy?

start with the politicians -- probably won't have to go much farther than that.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7240109
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#1 enemy is the fake news, social media companies, google(brezos) and similar things......those are how the politicians get away with what they are doing.

Pro sports is in there also....but some of you folks like to watch that so....


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7240113
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Ill not go looking for trouble. If trouble comes to me then the thinking changes. Just watching and learning. Family does come first for me but i have a problem with the outlook on the future for my family....

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: bowhunter27295] #7240114
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So who will we take up arms against?

Who is the enemy?


Well if ya haven't figured that out yet , you should hand over your arms to uncle Joe and join the flock of his sheeple


Let's go Brandon

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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: bowhunter27295] #7240118
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So who will we take up arms against?

Who is the enemy?

Anyone that is infringing or enabling infringement on my constitutional rights.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7240121
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I have a question . I keep hearing my GOD given rights a lot , please show me where I can find a list of these rights. They aren't in the bible. It gives you the choice to have salvation but I don't see these rights some of you keep quoting.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: Marty] #7240124
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Could not agree more. I would just add China who funds many of those you stated below.

Originally Posted by Marty
#1 enemy is the fake news, social media companies, google(brezos) and similar things......those are how the politicians get away with what they are doing.

Pro sports is in there also....but some of you folks like to watch that so....

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: rex123] #7240132
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Originally Posted by rex123
I have a question . I keep hearing my GOD given rights a lot , please show me where I can find a list of these rights. They aren't in the bible. It gives you the choice to have salvation but I don't see these rights some of you keep quoting.


God is used by believers because that is where they are born from. A nonbeliever still believes they are born with a right to defend themselves by whatever means necessary.

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