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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: rex123] #7240751
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Originally Posted by rex123
Marty, your list of rights is and was written by man. My question was where is this list of GOD given rights everyone keeps quoting?

I know what you're driving at. God places more emphasis on responsibilities than rights. You are correct.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7240880
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Seems maybe the elect are more driven by grandeur and search for a crown more than led by duty ?

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: Foxpaw] #7240897
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Seems maybe the elect are more driven by grandeur and search for a crown more than led by duty ?


I think a big part of it is many believers find there is an inseparable link between Christianity and the founding of this country. They're reluctant to let it go. I understand that thinking.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241071
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You're a liar, Steven. Any longtime board member such as yourself knows better, has seen me concede a point or a bet before.

Just because I can't find time to return to a debate before the thread is deleted or pages deep, doesn't mean I'm ducking an argument.

Ken, you're right it was a poor analogy. But it doesn't turn on truth or falsity.

Otherwise, what should we do about those who falsely claim the election was stolen?

That allegation has already caused one death, as well as untold damage to our electoral system and form of government.

What about THAT crowded theatre?

Jim


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"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241076
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Back to the Second Amendment, even Scalia, in the Heller majority opinion, didn't say the Second Amendment is absolute.

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"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7241083
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Originally Posted by James
You're a liar, Steven. Any longtime board member such as yourself knows better, has seen me concede a point or a bet before.

Just because I can't find time to return to a debate before the thread is deleted or pages deep, doesn't mean I'm ducking an argument.

Ken, you're right it was a poor analogy. But it doesn't turn on truth or falsity.

Otherwise, what should we do about those who falsely claim the election was stolen?

That allegation has already caused one death, as well as untold damage to our electoral system and form of government.

What about THAT crowded theatre?

Jim


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I am not a liar James, you constantly duck. You managed to post several times after Ken made his point that I quoted. I realize you are bombarded and I realize it isn't generally respectful but it is what it is.


Tell Scalia to come get them(I know, I know)

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"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241109
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Donna and I had the pleasure of attending the induction ceremonies this weekend for the 6th President of Dallas Theological Seminary with congratulatory congregations coming to Dallas from all over the world to congratulate the new President (who grew up working on a ranch in Texas!). DTS is one of but a handful of traditional seminaries still standing strong in America. 2 Tim 4:2 remains the motto as it was in 1924.

A theme of the keynote speaker last night was chilling and candid.... America is now a pagan nation, as the religion of Christianity has been marginalized by the culture and culture won. Helping culture win were liberal seminaries and the students of those institutions who filled liberal church pulpits across our land >>>>> agreeing to the cultural values and also building churches for causes rather than for the bridegroom, Jesus.

The speakers of the evening all agreed; We see the fruits of our pagan nation all around us. Immorality has won. Pornography is now bigger than church in our land. You can cuss in front of children anywhere you want now-a-days and it's fun and alright but darkness hates the Light, so be careful using the word "God" around anyone now-a-days. Perversions will continue to conquer without divine assistance, and there is no doubt that what is happening will effect America for centuries to come. Fighting one another got us here, so fighting one another won't get us out of anything either.

May God have mercy on us as we acknowledge that God does miracles in and amidst impossible odds!
The amazing news is that 50,000 believers are coming to faith each day across the globe. There is a need for 400 trained pastors every day!
It's just not here in the land of America.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241123
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It’s sad the POTUS today can’t even quote the Constitution most days, you know that thing!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: Law Dog] #7241126
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
It’s sad the POTUS today can’t even quote the Constitution most days, you know that thing!


Come on, man!

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241129
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I am sad to say our President of the United States of America is a JERK. I have NEVER said that about any other President.


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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241149
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Pathetic con artist .... would fit Joe job description way better than the title they cheated him into.


Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241158
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Steven, I "duck" arguments:

- (as you note) when I'm bombarded.

- when I can no longer find the thread when I return to the board.

- when I feel the argument has played out, and we would only be repeating ourselves if we continue.

- when the other guy has made a point I consider obviously correct.

I thought Ken's point, that it's okay to shout "fire" when there is an actual fire, was an obvious point.

If anyone feels I've ducked or slighted them, shoot me a PM or something.

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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241160
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People should actually research the history of the writing of the Constitution. The one we have is the FINAL draft after much compromising and placing of weasel words.


Who is John Galt?
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Originally Posted by James


I thought Ken's point, that it's okay to shout "fire" when there is an actual fire, was an obvious point.


Jim



Was that his point?


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: Dirt] #7241169
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Originally Posted by Dirt
People should actually research the history of the writing of the Constitution. The one we have is the FINAL draft after much compromising and placing of weasel words.


Read Federalist No. 1 and tell me they didn't see these people coming.

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241180
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Originally Posted by flash
Think about that for a moment. That right there would break the camels back...... Both sides of the aisle should be up in arms over that statement. The courts should be up in arms over that statement. Heck, every American should be up in arms over that statement!! One word comes to mind, how many died on the field for our FREEDOM.........

I’m VERY pro 1st, 2nd amendment and almost all of them actually. But they are not absolute, amendments are amendments to the constitution, so you can amend an amendment as it is part of the constitution. Look at the 18 th amendment banning the distribution of liquor but the 21st made that amendment null. I wouldn’t complain if they amended the 16th amendment (income tax). In order to amend the constitution you need a 2/3rds vote in the house and senate, or with a constitutional conventions called by 2/3 state legislators. After that 3/4 of the states must pass it.

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Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: James] #7241189
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Originally Posted by James
Technically, Biden's right: the Bill of Rights generally isn't absolute. This is true of the First Amendment--you can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

And it's just as true of the Second. You don't have the right to all the weapons of our modern military without regulation.

As for the fantasy that a bunch of keyboard warriors will really take up arms, I won't be joining in.

Jim


Good God, I hope your law degree was free. This is some serious apples to oranges horse---- and you know it.

Because someone yelled 'Fire' in a crowded theater once we didn't ban open speech in public... We didn't set laws limiting how many words a minute someone is allowed to say... We didn't make it a crime to speak above a whisper. We don't require people to pass a background check before they can make a speech, or enter a theater.

We jail/hold accountable those who "abuse" their freedom of speech.

And anyone who has ever heard the word "law" should be knowledgeable about how the US v Miller decision was reached... And how it's the sorriest joke of a decision ever. But hey, the SCOTUS is never wrong, right? Dred Scott was a benchmark of legal expertise on human rights too. Or the decision on the constitutionality of internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2.

Biden doesn't have the wherewithal to be trusted to shovel manure from one spot to another but somehow he knows which amendments are absolute and which ones aren't... Guess slavery and women's suffrage are up for discussion as well.

Mike


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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Originally Posted by James
Technically, Biden's right: the Bill of Rights generally isn't absolute. This is true of the First Amendment--you can't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

And it's just as true of the Second. You don't have the right to all the weapons of our modern military without regulation.

As for the fantasy that a bunch of keyboard warriors will really take up arms, I won't be joining in.

Jim


Good God, I hope your law degree was free. This is some serious apples to oranges horse---- and you know it.

Because someone yelled 'Fire' in a crowded theater once we didn't ban open speech in public... We didn't set laws limiting how many words a minute someone is allowed to say... We didn't make it a crime to speak above a whisper. We don't require people to pass a background check before they can make a speech, or enter a theater.

We jail/hold accountable those who "abuse" their freedom of speech.

And anyone who has ever heard the word "law" should be knowledgeable about how the US v Miller decision was reached... And how it's the sorriest joke of a decision ever. But hey, the SCOTUS is never wrong, right? Dred Scott was a benchmark of legal expertise on human rights too. Or the decision on the constitutionality of internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2.

Biden doesn't have the wherewithal to be trusted to shovel manure from one spot to another but somehow he knows which amendments are absolute and which ones aren't... Guess slavery and women's suffrage are up for discussion as well.

Mike

Yup, you have the right to free speech but not the right to slander

Re: No Amendment is Absolute. [Re: flash] #7241198
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I have a question. How many of the "lawyers" on here are BAR CERTIFIED as ATTORNEYS in their State? . . . just asking . . .


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I didn't realize attorneys were the only ones certified to read things written in plain English. In fact, based on all the legal documents I've ever read... They aren't.

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