That's going to leave a mark. Ouch!

No such thing as "plain English" in Law. It's always subjective and how it is comprehensively understood by the reader, or Courts.

"...the right of the people to KEEP and bear ARMS shall not be infringed." is plain English.

Now if you want to discuss the militia portion, let's do that too.

Mike

Well Mike, your answer is not relevant to my initial question, and see my previous post above.

How is not relevant? I'm not an attorney. And I don't have to be to understand what is written in the 2A. It's pretty plain.

Unless we're going to do the slick Willie, "depends on what the definition of 'is' is..." game.

Mike

Mike, your expertise is so glaringly obvious that you should go read the Heller decision and tell us what it means.

Jim

The constitution wasn't written for lawyers. Lawyers like to muddy things up though. This gun control thing started the same way it is being promoted today. Fear.

The National Firearms Act didn't start a war because people were afraid of gangsters. The depression created Bonnie and Clyde, Machine gun Kelly etc. Prohibition created Al Capone, Meyer Lansky etc. Today its gangsters who are the result of prohibition for other recreational drugs.

Fear is used to justify making guns illegal. The NFA didnt stop armed robbery. (the end of the depression slowed it way down and stopped most of the hatred for bankers)
Prohibition against Heroin and Cocaine isnt working any better than ethanol prohibition did and it creates the same violent organized gangs.

It was under Reagans presidency that funding was curtailed for mental hospitals. Forty years ago they were small self sufficient community's. Raising ag products, building furniture and other things. Today the mentally ill are left to their own devices. Walking around our cities, homeless and in rags, talking to their voices.

This lack of mental health care is the reason for most of the mass shooting's. People don't choose mental illness. We can reward the irresponsible behavior of promiscuous young people with more welfare but we can't put the mentally ill back in hospitals.

passing more gun laws is easier than working on real solutions

We are in a sad state of affairs.

The Mentality ill are running the country as political heads
Or. They become Lawyers

The scribes of our day are deciding what is good in their sight.
That tends to favor the scribes (lawyers).
Our founding father scribes (of America) were disciples of John Locke philosophy called Lockean or none of us would be typing on this here puter the way we are.
I have no idea what current day scribes follow. I know who but not what.
Does anyone?

I wish there were more Lockeans today in the ranks of America's scribes but sadly they have been subdued.
Realizing that wishes only come true in Disney stories - like Cinderella - where the prince and princess live "happily ever after."
This ain't a Disney land.

Jefferson quoted this book in our Constitution;



Blessings,
Mark

Gone I read all of that too. A lot of different feelings have been shared, now the talk has turned is the high court to help the left with their over all plan to destabilize us with more Judges, slow but sure they are on the move against those that seek to keep our freedoms and beliefs... Look at how things have changed since 08, heck, it goes back to 9/11. Those rag heads danced in the desert when Obama won the election..... Same thing happened in China and Iran last Nov. I do think about what would of happened if China hadn't turned loose the sickness on the world........ Am glad I'm still upright to try and protect my family.....

In plain english: I am on here to promote the general welfare. To be clear, not the specific welfare, but the general welfare. General, meaning anything a lawyer wants it to mean.

promote: to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further:
to promote world peace.

Ray describes where we are and where we are going in chapter 8 and 9. James, I would be interested to know your thoughts on the following link:

https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/#chapter8

First shouldn't we determine whether the claim is true or false ?

The founding fathers were as varied in their beliefs as the people on this forum. Not all of the same mind or beliefs.

Very true, and YES!

James, if you're a lawyer as you say
Then you know full well you can yell FIRE in a crowded movie hall
It's not against the law at all.
Check the SCOTUS ruling on the matter.
Try again, your trolling is getting weak

All the overwhelming evidence in proof won't surpass the desperate need to "save face" , the need to argue despite the facts.

This statement would be true of anyone or any group in human history. Is there a take-a-way?