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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242412
04/13/21 03:48 PM
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Nafa was a mink farmer owned and controled coop set up to make north american farmers money.

"The CMBA through North American Fur Producers Inc. is a major shareholder in North American Fur Auctions - a wholely producer owned international fur auction

."AMC Directors, there will be a conference call Thursday June 7,2012. Herman Jansen will be commenting on the recent CMBA Code of Practice Meeting held in Toronto on this coming Tuesday & Wednesday, we will have him start it off the conference call, and share with us what the CMBA proposals are. Then we will excuse Herman from the call and have a brief discussion on the recent May Sale. We realize what an extremely busy time ofyear this is so we will make this as brief as possible. If any AMC Director is unable to make this conference call please let me know in advance, Thanks."










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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242480
04/13/21 04:45 PM
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So it starts Friday , does this auction. Have buyers attend in person or internet auction again ? Groenwold buys lots stuff at it or pt deals ?

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Dirt] #7242499
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Nafa was a mink farmer owned and controled coop set up to make north american farmers money.

"The CMBA through North American Fur Producers Inc. is a major shareholder in North American Fur Auctions - a wholely producer owned international fur auction."







. Yes and it didn't take long once ranch mink crashed for things to crumble. Saving for a rainy day wasn't in their business plan. Frankly fur auction was a misleading name for their business.

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242521
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In the end the first two words North American were misleading as they were selling 6 million European ranch mink and only 3.8 million North American. smile

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: LLtrapper] #7242526
04/13/21 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
"At the FHA sale in April 2020, I did put together a couple of deals after the auction ended." I guess you all glanced over this. I doubt it was your first time in the PT room. I really do not care one way or another. I simply know why you stick up for shady practices of the auctions especially FHA.

On a side note I do not blame nor do I have any disrespect when it comes to your relation that do work for FHA. They are stand up people who work for not so stand up people. LLL

No I didn't glance over that, but I didn't dwell on it like you. How about your post on a nother thread "I could of sold them for 3$ green to Groenwald then covid came around and he didn't want them." Here you have someone trying to market your worthless coon and you are crying like a baby. cry Once again suck it up.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242554
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I had sent some squirrel there for this 1st auction and they dont show up in my account. Would there be a reason??

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242570
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I agree tp, I usually sent to NAFA or Wiebke, but NAFA was done and by the time I got my fur finished Wiebke had no interest. I could have sold to Groney for 3 to 5 dollar average but I rolled the dice and shipped. Right now those are your choices.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: backroadsarcher] #7242596
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Originally Posted by backroadsarcher
I had sent some squirrel there for this 1st auction and they dont show up in my account. Would there be a reason??



I didn’t realize they took squirrel. Interested to know how you do on them at auction.

Tail bone in or out?

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: teepee2] #7242688
04/13/21 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by teepee2
Originally Posted by LLtrapper
"At the FHA sale in April 2020, I did put together a couple of deals after the auction ended." I guess you all glanced over this. I doubt it was your first time in the PT room. I really do not care one way or another. I simply know why you stick up for shady practices of the auctions especially FHA.

On a side note I do not blame nor do I have any disrespect when it comes to your relation that do work for FHA. They are stand up people who work for not so stand up people. LLL

No I didn't glance over that, but I didn't dwell on it like you. How about your post on a nother thread "I could of sold them for 3$ green to Groenwald then covid came around and he didn't want them." Here you have someone trying to market your worthless coon and you are crying like a baby. cry Once again suck it up.


What is it to you toilet paper? For not dwelling on things you sure like to comment on things I post. She said she made side deals in the PT room. You and her said later that she said she did not. Oh I can read. You are the one needing to read for comprehension. You act like a democrat. Just look over the blatently obvious because it conflicts with your jabbering. Your comments do not mean a thing to me. LLL

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242750
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Anybody who has dealt with Furharvesters in the past much should know that they have always been about as transparent as a brick wall and have always lied. Their website is also very hard to follow and the numbers don't add up (not sure if this is intentional obscurement or poor tech). That being said, they are the only international auction house of note. Make your decision on whether you want to ship to them or not knowing what you are getting into. In the past when NAFA was still a going concern, no matter how obscure Furharvesters posted auction results were I could compare by either shipping some of my fur to both places, or comparing my fur checks from NAFA to buddies from Furharvesters who had similar quality fur. While I liked dealing with NAFA better and thought I came out ahead through them, Furharvesters was comparable when you cashed the check. Now? Well, you can always sell some at local auction and send some up there, about as good as you can get for comparing since their auction results aren't believable. I sent them a little fur last year that didn't get the offers I wanted at state auction (majority I sold at state auction). Then Canada (and to be fair, most of the world) went Covid crazy. I can't really blame Furharvesters for what happened to their market when the country wouldn't let buyers in. But what I can blame them for is selling some of my PT and sending me a check, without ever telling me what they sold. I never sent them anything this year and did great at the state auction, but I don't know if I have anything on this sale or not, because they have not updated my account since last summer. I know they sold some of my fur because I got a check for it, but I've no idea if they sold all of it or not.

I dealt with NAFA for 20 years and was happy with them, right up until they screwed me out of 20 grand worth of furs. During that time I have dealt multiple times in small quantities with Furharvesters. I have never dealt in larger quantities because I never trusted them and was never happy with their customer service. That being said, their checks have never bounced and always seem to reflect the market fairly. I won't say I will not deal with them in the future, but until and unless their practices change enough to build my trust in them I will not be sending the bulk of my furs to them. I will continue to reserve myself the option of sending furs that I feel I have not been offered a decent price for elsewhere to them. For two reasons; one, it causes both local buyers and buyers at local and state auctions to be required to offer a competitive price if they want my furs. Because they know they can't buy them from me at firesale prices, I simply won't sell them to them at that. And two, I know the risks going in and would rather take the chance on being took by someone I don't trust but have done fairly well with in the past than taking a guaranteed unacceptable price from someone who has made a lowball offer on my furs.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242840
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You know up front when you ship to FHA that they will sell at their discretion when and for what price THEY determine-not you.
If you were as good as them at knowing the market you would be running an international auction.

You people that disparage FHA disparage your own.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242959
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Agree totally with your first sentence Boco. Second, well I understand your point, and agree to an extent, but I have as much interest in running an international auction as I do in running a car lot. . . none.

Not sure what exactly you mean by the third one, unless you are saying that disparaging FHA is disparaging furharvesters (trappers, hunters, etc.) because that is who runs it.

Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7242961
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That is exactly what he is saying Bearcat. A trapper buddy of mine from Michigan talked me into trying FHA back in the early 90's with the pep talk that they were all trappers. The board of directors were all trappers etc, etc. All and all I've been satisfied with FHA, but my local association sales are always first choice...but like you Bearcat, the moment I feel like the bottom feeders are the only bidders on my fur I run that fur up to Canada.

Sometimes that works out and sometimes it just means the bad local offer probably wasn't as bad as I originally thought.

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: blackhammer] #7243044
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Originally Posted by blackhammer
Originally Posted by Dirt
Nafa was a mink farmer owned and controled coop set up to make north american farmers money.

"The CMBA through North American Fur Producers Inc. is a major shareholder in North American Fur Auctions - a wholely producer owned international fur auction."







. Yes and it didn't take long once ranch mink crashed for things to crumble. Saving for a rainy day wasn't in their business plan. Frankly fur auction was a misleading name for their business.


They made no secret that mink was the vast majority of their business. They believed that volume of goods attached more bidders. I was told that the strategy complimented wild fur sales, which was a fraction of the business. I guess it’s like a coyote trapper catching a coon, not really what you’re looking for but you deal with it because it has value.

To me the deep cuts coupled with the time extended were not consider in the business model. Prior things got too good for too long causing complacency.

I also agree an auction company should focus on auction. However capitalism is powered by “greed”

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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243063
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In the beginning the mink ranch only Auction house ALC went down. Bought by the next mink ranch dominated Auction house NAFA who went down. Both owned and run by mink farmers. We will see how the trapper/indigineous people owned one does. At least they are not loaning trappers more than they can sell their fur for.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: ponyboy] #7243071
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All I ask is to simply auction off my stuff and to do what you say you will or will not do. They said one thing and did the contrary. Nobody seems to care about that. I just don't get that really. Why did they say they would not sell anything after the sale and then do the contrary. It is not good business. I am sure I am not the only one that is smart enough to see if they are lying about this that there will be more lies down the road. I will not be shipping nothing to another auction house again. LLL


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One more time. They lied to the buyers to get them to bid. What you want. It did not work and they needed money, so they sold pt after the sale. They gotta sell something to stay alive. Not what they want, or what we want, but these are the realities of the current situation. I wouldn't send anything to them expecting bidding to occur. I haven't sent anything in 3 years and I still have fur on this sale. Nobody will be bidding on it.


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Re: FURHARVESTERS [Re: Dirt] #7243081
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Originally Posted by Dirt
One more time. They lied to the buyers to get them to bid. What you want. It did not work and they needed money, so they sold pt after the sale. They gotta sell something to stay alive. Not what they want, or what we want, but these are the realities of the current situation. I wouldn't send anything to them expecting bidding to occur. I haven't sent anything in 3 years and I still have fur on this sale. Nobody will be bidding on it.


It will be a death by a million cuts instead of all at once. If you cannot be trusted you cannot do business. I know why they did what they did. I just wish they would have said that upfront. They will end up in bankruptcy court as well I believe but I could be wrong. Sad really that the future of the fur industry will be like a Walmart model where one or two companies give trinkets and beads to the trappers and sell them cheap and dressed into the user countries. The days of making good money on the fur industry is over. I guess I was lucky to see the days when it was in it's glory. LLL


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Tell me what is the difference between having everything available private treaty as opposed to having an online sale? Wouldn't you want to buy your stuff private treaty when no one else can bid it up, or you can make a special deal.

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A democrat now there is a low blow. mad I'm not the one who can't comprehend the "room" meant the auction room. I'm also not the one telling lies about were one person has made their purchases, or the one playing the woo is me tune and crying a river. You seem to be the one that is spinning the story to fit your narrative. And you'er calling me a democrat. confused

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