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Does the US need to rethink its value system? #7242862
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What is going to happen to those involved in the Daunte Wright death?

Nobody is can say it is not a tragic event. At this point, I am still assuming it was an accident.

The victims family will more than likely have to live out their lives without their loved one, and try to get by with only a couple photos, and their share of $27,000,000 .

The shooter will pay for her mistake with a bunch of prison time, loss of job, loss of pension, loss of reputation, more legal fees than are ever possible to repay, etc, etc.

Think of how they had lived their lives up until the event. How were they likely to have continued their lives?

I'm not stupid enough to make any suggestions, but, just think about it.


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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: T-Rex] #7242866
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Would be a benefit if Americans were more law abidding.

Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: T-Rex] #7242875
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This country has no current value system.


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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: T-Rex] #7242879
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Affirmative action has allowed for a substandard police force maybe ?

The thug prolly needed tazed , not sure if he deserved a bullet though


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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: AntiGov] #7242885
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Affirmative action has allowed for a substandard police force maybe ?

The thug prolly needed tazed , not sure if he deserved a bullet though
I agree 100%. That's not what happened, though, so is not the question.


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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: Marty] #7242887
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Originally Posted by Marty
This country has no current value system.


Sure it does. Nihilism. Thank yet another German philosopher from the 19th century Friedrich Nietzsche for this philosophy tens of millions of Americans now hold dear.
What's Nihilism? At it core, it's the rejection of religious and moral principles, because of the belief that life is meaningless.

How did the world fall so far so fast for a batch of German philosophers from Marx, to Freud, to Nietzsche?
That'd be world culture's admiration of the many letters after someone's name.

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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: T-Rex] #7242889
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It would have benefitted them both if police didn't pull people over for stupid reasons like an air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror. His warrant has essentially because.he didn't ask permission from the crown before carrying a gun. it would have benefitted them both if that chick learned the difference between a tazer and a gun.
She's going to jail for a while, and she deserves it. Even she thought the guy didn't need to die. She thought she was using non-lethal force, if she thought the situation warranted lethal force she wouldn't have been using a taser (which turned out to be a pistol). At the very least she's guilty of manslaughter.

Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: loosegoose] #7242901
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
It would have benefitted them both if police didn't pull people over for stupid reasons like an air freshener hanging from the rear view mirror. His warrant has essentially because.he didn't ask permission from the crown before carrying a gun. it would have benefitted them both if that chick learned the difference between a tazer and a gun.
She's going to jail for a while, and she deserves it. Even she thought the guy didn't need to die. She thought she was using non-lethal force, if she thought the situation warranted lethal force she wouldn't have been using a taser (which turned out to be a pistol). At the very least she's guilty of manslaughter.

Sorry goose, I think you are living in the past.

He was pulled over for expired tabs... not that bs about the air fresheners. His warrant was for using a handgun to try to rob a lady of $800 plus of rent money.

Everybody, including the shooter agrees that he did not need, or deserve to die. It was a tragic accident. At least until proven otherwise. I tend to agree about the manslaughter, which is why I see the jail time for her. Had the victim not been resisting and trying to flee, it never would have happened.


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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: Mark June] #7242908
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Originally Posted by Mark June
Originally Posted by Marty
This country has no current value system.


Sure it does. Nihilism. Thank yet another German philosopher from the 19th century Friedrich Nietzsche for this philosophy tens of millions of Americans now hold dear.
What's Nihilism? At it core, it's the rejection of religious and moral principles, because of the belief that life is meaningless.

How did the world fall so far so fast for a batch of German philosophers from Marx, to Freud, to Nietzsche?
That'd be world culture's admiration of the many letters after someone's name.

Blessings,
Mark


If one comes away with a sense of Nihilism after reading Nietzsche that is their own failing not Nietzsche's. Nietzsche took no pleasure or joy in pointing out that religion was failing, he mourned the fact "God is dead and we've killed him".

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I don't click or watch any news but it seems there's round the clock reporting of rabble rousers being rabble rousers.


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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: T-Rex] #7242910
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I don't know the guy or the story , But Maybe karma paid him a visit


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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: T-Rex] #7242912
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Just think, if he had done what the police ask him to do and not acted a fool he would still be alive
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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: T-Rex] #7242913
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As I stated earlier, If he had not been resisting and trying to flee, it would have never happened.

Does that put a little responsibility in his court? Probably not, which is why I think we have a problem with our values.


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Many inner cities are very dangerous places due to people like the guy who was shot....one less thug there now. Wanna live the thug life? Then prepare for what can happen and do not cry when your laying on the ground bleeding out. Floyd was another thug looser...the world is probably a better place with him gone.


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Originally Posted by Marty
Many inner cities are very dangerous places due to people like the guy who was shot....one less thug there now. Wanna live the thug life? Then prepare for what can happen and do not cry when your laying on the ground bleeding out. Floyd was another thug looser...the world is probably a better place with him gone.



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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: charles] #7242975
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Originally Posted by charles
Would be a benefit if Americans were more law abidding.

not to the crap the lawyers are passing currently --- let's talk about true justice and common sense laws that actually could solve the problems. The first ten would take care of it - not much need for more.

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Originally Posted by Marty
Many inner cities are very dangerous places due to people like the guy who was shot....one less thug there now. Wanna live the thug life? Then prepare for what can happen and do not cry when your laying on the ground bleeding out. Floyd was another thug looser...the world is probably a better place with him gone.

^^^^ this

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Re: Does the US need to rethink its value system? [Re: T-Rex] #7242998
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Originally Posted by T-Rex


He was pulled over for expired tabs... not that bs about the air fresheners. His warrant was for using a handgun to try to rob a lady of $800 plus of rent money.


True justice in manís world, the lady would have pulled her Lady PPK and capped the guy during the robbery.

The Creator of the world has a lot going on and puts in motion a chain of events that changes paths of individuals that in the end build a Kingdom.


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Absolutely we need something different. Letís start with the fact there is 330+million people here coupled with instant access to sensational news. What more could we expect? Out of 330 mill, how many idiots, morons, criminals, pervs, mentally ill, selfish, nihilists do you think we have?

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DS,

F. N. is known as the father of Nihilism and I didn't attach that label 100 years ago. His pals did. And they still do.
I'm well aware of Nietzsche's lament over the theological implosion he observed all around him and his philosophical attempts to solve great mysteries. I enjoy his writings and we study them (and many others) in historical theology apologetics courses here at DTS.

The great German education system changes of the late 1700's focusing students to one core subject in later high school and higher academic study would produce "experts" as the world of logic had never known since the Greeks and this world was forever changed because of it. It wasn't by accident that these great thinkers were produced in Germany. It was the educational blueprint. No world academic system in the 19th and early 20th century rivaled German education and from America to Oxford.... other great minds came to listen to the Nietzsches of that time.

The "God is dead" - signed Nietzcke
was followed two years later by.
"Nietzcke is dead" - signed God

There's always clarity at the end of the story.

Hope all is well DS!
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