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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: Brian Mongeau] #7243202
04/14/21 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Mongeau
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE


as an example the rubber slugs may only be used for 5 rounds max on an individual before tactics need to be changed I was talking with police chief in the neighboring town when he picked up the orange stocks for the shotgun they were designating less than lethal I asked if he was going to add a mag tube extender also , he said not much point they have to stop using it at 5 rounds because some Florida department shot a guy who had taped manchettes to his hands so that he couldn't drop them 40 times and the guy died of internal bleeding.
new standards of use had to be set and that placed the number of rounds at 5.




So, does that mean after the first five rubber slugs, you can switch to hollow point lead slugs.

basically , they wanted there to be no miss understanding that after 5 rounds it becomes lethal so I suppose you need to officially put down the orange shotgun and use the not orange gun since you designated the orange one less than lethal.

like so many rulings made it only specifies what you can't do and doesn't really state what you can or should do , but a change of tactics is required.

how do you go about getting a guy who has manchettes duct taped to his hands was chasing people around , who has now backed himself under a stair well and swings at anyone who comes close? you can only carry so many tools in a cruiser. this might actually be a good use of that pepper ball or pepper spray. make the air under the stairs un breathable


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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: KeithC] #7243261
04/14/21 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Criminals are a protected species in the US now.
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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: Tactical.20] #7243906
04/15/21 09:46 AM
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I just ordered a five round Byrna 68 caliber pepper ball gun, with extra mag. for the wife. There ain't no way she would ever shoot a lethal round at anyone. Even so, she agrees that in this day and age, she needs something.

So, the beauty of these is that you don't need to be up close and personal, like with a stun gun, pepper spray, and even Taser. This one claims to be effective at 60 feet. Nothing is perfect, but, an least with this she will have something, which is a whole lot better than nothing.


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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: Tactical.20] #7243956
04/15/21 11:21 AM
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They're awesome in corrections .


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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: Tactical.20] #7244480
04/15/21 10:35 PM
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I bet, I didn't like getting a direct hit from paint ball, those sound much worse

Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: Tactical.20] #7244573
04/16/21 07:18 AM
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I’ve been looking at a Byrna gun for the wife. Supposed to be top of the line unit. Anyone have experience with them. She’s a crack shot with a 22 or shotgun. I have a tactical 12 gauge close to her in the bedroom she can shoot but hand guns aren’t her thing. I figured something in her car or hand bag is better then nothing.


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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: Tactical.20] #7244576
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T-Rex I missed your post when reading the thread. I’d like to know what you think when it’s delivered. I’ve heard great things about them.


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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: Tactical.20] #7245791
04/17/21 09:09 PM
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I think the Bryna is perfect for the wife, but, personally I have a major concern about them.

They are a less than lethal weapon, but look like a regular handgun. I think that makes them a target. I've told the wife: " Use it if you have to... then get the he el out of there."

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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: T-Rex] #7245806
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
I think the Bryna is perfect for the wife, but, personally I have a major concern about them.

They are a less than lethal weapon, but look like a regular handgun. I think that makes them a target. I've told the wife: " Use it if you have to... then get the hele out of there."


for civilians any weapon lethal or non lethal is primarily a tool to create a break in contact.

you are only legally allowed to stop the threat some times that takes lethal action


if you have a small caliber or low capacity , or non lethal gun it is all about making space to evade


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Re: Pepper ball guns [Re: Tactical.20] #7245817
04/17/21 09:58 PM
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Four rules to justify the use of deadly force:

  • You need to be in fear of great bodily harm
  • no lesser force will suffice
  • You are an unwilling participant
  • No retreat is possible


While the Bryna is less than lethal the fundamentals remain the same: Do what you can to stop the threat, and avoid being a victim. Since you have used what you expect to be non lethal; there is no need to hang around to give aid to the perp.


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