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just sold rats to Groeny #7244123
04/15/21 03:04 PM
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Just got back from selling rats to Groenewold . 44 rats . My sizing pre sale was 17 XL (several close to 2XL but between the lines) , 23 2XL , 4 3XL . I was conservative in my sizing . All the rats were caught in January or February . Two were damaged , one of them slightly as far as I remember . 13 @ 6.00 , 23 @ 4.00 and 8 @ 2.50 . Thats only a 4.31 average . It was fairly busy and he was going to be late for his next NY stop if he was the one going to be doing the buying so I wasn't able to ask him what a 2.50 rat looks like or what he's looking for when he grades rats . Ideally I would like to pre grade and sort the rats by size and give him one batch at a time and see how he grades them and what he offers for each batch instead of slapping them all on the table and waiting for a final offer . I'm not complaining because I did snatch that check up and ran to the bank with it but I'd like to know a little more about his methods lol .

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244129
04/15/21 03:12 PM
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If you have questions ask them. He will adjust his time to answer. Do not let others take the time that you are allotted (paying for) from you.

You have a right and responsibility to learn and if the furbuyer fails you by not teaching you He deserves to Loose your business.

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244137
04/15/21 03:19 PM
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It sounds like you did OK.


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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244156
04/15/21 03:47 PM
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Beav, you disappoint me. You were supposed to say: "he already knew what he was going to pay you for an average, and just arbitrarily gave values to different rats to achieve that".


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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244183
04/15/21 04:21 PM
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It seems to me he is VERY good at doing quick math. A couple high numbers to make it sound good but enough lows to make the average price per rat low. Seems to me everyone's average comes out about the same. Like I said quick good math skills are what makes him money. When your doing business dont let anyone rush you it's your dime and livelihood.


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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244193
04/15/21 04:36 PM
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Ya beaverpeeler I slipped up on that one.

Your not going to dicker with groney. Your going to have at least 3 grades and that's It.


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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244200
04/15/21 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by VH60
Just got back from selling rats to Groenewold . 44 rats . My sizing pre sale was 17 XL (several close to 2XL but between the lines) , 23 2XL , 4 3XL . I was conservative in my sizing . All the rats were caught in January or February . Two were damaged , one of them slightly as far as I remember . 13 @ 6.00 , 23 @ 4.00 and 8 @ 2.50 . Thats only a 4.31 average .



At the Herkimer auction this past Saturday,
1,413 rats averaged $4.92 and T-man member
newfox1 averaged $4.93 on his rats.

Groeny should be paying a little better for our
Top Of The Line New York State Rats
since he was paying close to the same price for
North Carolina rats last week.

He's going to have to do a little better than that
going forward if he is going to continue to ROCK !!!! laugh

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Last edited by walleyed; 04/15/21 05:41 PM.

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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244211
04/15/21 04:58 PM
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He's gonna rock you this weekend walleyed.LOL

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244241
04/15/21 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by newfox1
He's gonna rock you this weekend walleyed.LOL


Ahh, Nope.

He had better bring his A-game
if he wants to get walleyed's
shedding, hairless, bit up muskrats !!! LOL laugh

w


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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244249
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The Groeny challenge....toss him hundred rats of the same size and grade and he’ll show you how to sort them into four piles.

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: BvrRetriever] #7244459
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Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
The Groeny challenge....toss him hundred rats of the same size and grade and he’ll show you how to sort them into four piles.


Exactly!!!!!!!!

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: bankrunner] #7244483
04/15/21 10:38 PM
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Being in a hurry works well for him. After all he's doing you a favor buying your fur LOL. With no auction prices to push market he has the luxury to not increase prices. Hopefully that changes in the near future

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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244508
04/15/21 11:54 PM
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We can only hope the internet auction will do better. But there Is always the dreaded PT room to consider
and the commission and the per pelt handling charge. Time will tell.


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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244530
04/16/21 05:07 AM
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Walleyed , I wish I was closer to Herkimer but I would have to have a big pile of rats to make it worth it . I did see something unusual while I was watching other guys sell . A guy from New Jersey put his rats and some beaver on the table . Groeny gave him a price on the rats and the guy said no sale , which seemed to catch Groeny off guard a little I think . The guy asked Groeny what he would pay for the beaver and Groeny kinda threw his hands up a little and said , well what do you want for them ? The guy said $12.00 a piece . Groeny did some sorting and did give the guy $12.00 for at least a couple of them , I couldn't hear the offer on the rest but I suspect the ability to do quick math and some salesmanship got Groeny his averages LOL .

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244563
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Unusual wink ?

A resistor? I heard them fellas from jersey are notorious for being difficult. Lol

We could use some more backbone. Thanks Jersey Dude (Whoever u r)

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244569
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Couple weeks ago, a friend averaged $4.94 on Pennsylvania 'rats from the Groeny truck.

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: Hern] #7244621
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Originally Posted by Hern
Couple weeks ago, a friend averaged $4.94 on Pennsylvania 'rats from the Groeny truck.

I wanted to give him a shot this year ( his first buying safari into Pa. ), but his route run was the night before our trout season opener, and I had a camp full of guys. I dropped everything off for FHA this season.

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: VH60] #7244642
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Hey send them to NAFA !!! LOL LOL LOL see what they bring or Hey post your last price you got from NAFA after commission .......

Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: bankrunner] #7244645
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Originally Posted by bankrunner
Originally Posted by BvrRetriever
The Groeny challenge....toss him hundred rats of the same size and grade and he’ll show you how to sort them into four piles.


Exactly!!!!!!!!

That dirty Rat!!! ( said in a NY accent)


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Re: just sold rats to Groeny [Re: walleyed] #7244647
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by VH60
Just got back from selling rats to Groenewold . 44 rats . My sizing pre sale was 17 XL (several close to 2XL but between the lines) , 23 2XL , 4 3XL . I was conservative in my sizing . All the rats were caught in January or February . Two were damaged , one of them slightly as far as I remember . 13 @ 6.00 , 23 @ 4.00 and 8 @ 2.50 . Thats only a 4.31 average .



At the Herkimer auction this past Saturday,
1,413 rats averaged $4.92 and T-man member
newfox1 averaged $4.93 on his rats.

Groeny should be paying a little better for our
Top Of The Line New York State Rats
since he was paying close to the same price for
North Carolina rats last week.

He's going to have to do a little better than that
going forward if he is going to continue to ROCK !!!! laugh

w



Ok one question did a commission come off these averages? IF IT was an auction I assume commissions. Lot of times people post a price to make it look like others are doing better. BUT what was cash in hand after the dust settles.

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