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Fleshing knife too sharp? #7246258
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I was talking to my local fur buyer about how to not make too many holes when fleshing. He showed me his technique and blade, given his technique was better and I wasn’t doing it like him, he said that it was probably my knife making so many holes. He said my knife was probably too sharp. And In comparison to his, it was. Ever heard of a fleshing knife being too sharp? His knife I was able to run my finger down the blade and not cut myself. [Linked Image]
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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246274
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I'd do as much as pushing as possible with the dull side and some pressure rather than the sharp side. That's just asking for trouble. Maybe for the gristle on the back of a coon's neck but that's about it.
And a good fleshing beam is just as important as the knife.

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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gary Benson] #7246277
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
I'd do as much as pushing as possible with the dull side and some pressure rather than the sharp side. That's just asking for trouble. Maybe for the gristle on the back of a coon's neck but that's about it.
And a good fleshing beam is just as important as the knife.


X2. My knife isn’t very sharp. I don’t do any coons.

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I am not a pro by any means, but I do all my coon with sharp side 100%
I keep the blade 90 degrees to the hide and scrape


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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246282
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Fleshing what? Coon are a lot different than beaver or otter


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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246287
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Too sharp isnt really a thing.

Brush your critters to make sure there's no burrs or matted fur that cause bumps in that hide as those are 99% to cause a hole

Make sure your fleshing beam is smooth.

Make sure the dull edge of the knives doesn't have any irregularities as that edge doesn't get the attention from most people that it should.

From there it's just technique.

Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246288
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95% of any coon can be done with the dull side.


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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246290
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Mine is pretty sharp. Sharp enough to cut paper, at least. On coons I use the sharp side for pretty much the whole back, and the squared off side for the belly. Same for beavers.

Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246296
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I'm going to make a controversial statement here, if the knife is sharp enough to cut you easily its too sharp. Or more importantly, the angle is too fine.

A scissors is made to cut paper, try cutting your finger over one blade. We generally try to sharpen our skinning knives at 15 to 20 degrees, scissors at 40 45.


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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246303
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I like a sharp side for things like otter and face area on most animals. If your popping holes it could be a FEW different things.. either small debris in the fur OR Pushing or cutting at the Wrong angle.. Or Too much pressure along with the wrong angle will cut holes faster then anything. Just my opinion on popping holes with Fleshing knives. Ease up on your pressure. Coyotes I push all with the Dull side of my knife.

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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246310
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My fleshing knives are 40 degree bevel or more. They are super sharp and I don't cut holes in pelts. I only use the sharp side on coon and skunk necks and beaver backs and especially towards the tail. Everything else you push when on a beam. Make sure your beam is smooth and your fur is brushed of all burrs, mud etc...
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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: Gone Trappin.] #7246314
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So my question Is for those who lay there hides on top of the beam. How does that work out when using the sharp side?


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Making sure your leather is tightly stretched and not bunching up can be another problem that is sometimes overlooked. The angle of the knife can give you issues as well. .It is a skill that takes time to master. I recently purchased a acrylic fleshing knife that I seen Dwayne Lazar (Canada guy) he's on youtube Tripple Nickel Trapper TNT. I used for first time on some beaver. Worked well less likely to cause damage.

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It takes more pressure to make a not so sharp knife cut the gristle that is very difficult if not impossible to push with the dull side. To me, the extra pressure needed to cut the gristle can result in cutting too deep. Tilting the blade angle up to get a not so sharp knife to cut also results in making cuts too deep also.

I want my knife sharp enough that I do not need to tilt the blade or apply hardly any down pressure to get the knife to shave the gristle.

I agree with other posts about the beam being smooth and the fur clean and free of debris.

But it is my opinion that poor technique is responsible for far more pelt damage than a knife that is supposedly too sharp. I have never personally had a fleshing knife that was too sharp but have struggled with ones that were not sharp enough to shave with proper angle and pressure. YMMV


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Re: Fleshing knife too sharp? [Re: The Beav] #7246323
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Originally Posted by The Beav
So my question Is for those who lay there hides on top of the beam. How does that work out when using the sharp side?

Stretch your hide out taut on the beam, keep the blade flat at a slight angle. Use a slicing motion. Beaver are very easy and forgiving with a thick hide. Coon necks the same, I do this down 6 or 8 inches on the back of the neck. The rest can easily be pushed. There are many you tube videos. Coon Creek guy does a great job explaining using sharp side on beaver and coon necks


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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
It takes more pressure to make a not so sharp knife cut the gristle that is very difficult if not impossible to push with the dull side. To me, the extra pressure needed to cut the gristle can result in cutting too deep. Tilting the blade angle up to get a not so sharp knife to cut also results in making cuts too deep also.

I want my knife sharp enough that I do not need to tilt the blade or apply hardly any down pressure to get the knife to shave the gristle.

I agree with other posts about the beam being smooth and the fur clean and free of debris.

But it is my opinion that poor technique is responsible for far more pelt damage than a knife that is supposedly too sharp. I have never personally had a fleshing knife that was too sharp but have struggled with ones that were not sharp enough to shave with proper angle and pressure. YMMV


When I first got my Post knife (arguably one of the best) it came razor sharp. How do I know? I took a rag and lightly cleaned it and it sliced it to shreds. The tips of my fingers also sliced a little when I just had to touch it because it couldn’t be that sharp.

A dull knife is way more work than a sharp one. The hard to push areas on a coon are a breeze with the sharp side. A slicing motion is used and hardly any pressure is needed.

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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I'm going to make a controversial statement here, if the knife is sharp enough to cut you easily its too sharp. Or more importantly, the angle is too fine.

A scissors is made to cut paper, try cutting your finger over one blade. We generally try to sharpen our skinning knives at 15 to 20 degrees, scissors at 40 45.


Yeah I cut my thumb on it on accident it’s so sharp. Also I am fleshing coons with it but want to be able to flesh Coyotes too. I have been using the dull side as in the curve/bump is popping up towards me, that is the full side correct? My beam is 6” PVC cut with a coon stretcher and I narrowed it down about 3/4” on each side.

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For when you need the sharp side, there’s no such thing as too sharp. On bigger beaver, shaving with a really sharp edge saves a lot of elbow grease.

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Originally Posted by Turtledale
My fleshing knives are 40 degree bevel or more. They are super sharp and I don't cut holes in pelts. I only use the sharp side on coon and skunk necks and beaver backs and especially towards the tail. Everything else you push when on a beam. Make sure your beam is smooth and your fur is brushed of all burrs, mud etc...
Technique is everything and comes with time in the shed


We should discuss sharpness as I'm sure you and I agree 100 percent. Super sharp at 40 degrees isn't the same as supersharp at 20 degrees. My knife is sharp, it will slice beaver gristle with little effort other than a slicing motion, it doesn't feel all that sharp lol and I can't slice paper with it like my skinning knife.


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Originally Posted by Tailhunter
Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
It takes more pressure to make a not so sharp knife cut the gristle that is very difficult if not impossible to push with the dull side. To me, the extra pressure needed to cut the gristle can result in cutting too deep. Tilting the blade angle up to get a not so sharp knife to cut also results in making cuts too deep also.

I want my knife sharp enough that I do not need to tilt the blade or apply hardly any down pressure to get the knife to shave the gristle.

I agree with other posts about the beam being smooth and the fur clean and free of debris.

But it is my opinion that poor technique is responsible for far more pelt damage than a knife that is supposedly too sharp. I have never personally had a fleshing knife that was too sharp but have struggled with ones that were not sharp enough to shave with proper angle and pressure. YMMV


When I first got my Post knife (arguably one of the best) it came razor sharp. How do I know? I took a rag and lightly cleaned it and it sliced it to shreds. The tips of my fingers also sliced a little when I just had to touch it because it couldn’t be that sharp.

A dull knife is way more work than a sharp one. The hard to push areas on a coon are a breeze with the sharp side. A slicing motion is used and hardly any pressure is needed.



My post came that way as well, not shaving sharp but it would cut a few hairs off your arm.


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