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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7249336
04/22/21 07:50 AM
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I have been President of a state trapping association and a Vice-President of another state trapping association and I can say without a hitch that larger associations like these are representing the interests of the individual trappers and work to insert & protect laws of the vocation.

Are the orgs perfect? What? They have people like us in them for goodness sake.
Do people in them work hard with little to no compensation. Yep.

It's for sure the 10-90 rule. 10% doing the lifting. 90% carry on and on and on.

Donna and I belong to numerous associations. We have and we will for all our lives.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: Scout1] #7249344
04/22/21 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Scout1
I don't think the OP was calling anyone a "whining Loser", he was just trying to get your alls attention. As mentioned earlier numbers do count or the squeaky wheel will get the grease!


No he just said you were to be shamed if you were not or do not join. That in itself is enough to not join if he is somehow involved or in charge. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7249427
04/22/21 09:58 AM
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Right on Boco all they care about is the votes they expect to get the next election. The Associations keep us informed of what is going on at the legislative level and keeps them in check the best they can. As individuals it is important to get letter writing an phone calls to the political people but hard to keep on top of it all. If you have not seen the informational video the NTA has put out to educate the public it great also available on the website and to members.

Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7249437
04/22/21 10:06 AM
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If my post offended you so be it and sorry, if I got one new person to join my post was successful. Yeah the post was part out of frustration, I just cant see why anyone would not be a member of the NTA, FTA or state associations and could be a trapper. Do as you will, but talk to the New Mexico trappers next year their final year of trapping on public land or Colorado, California trappers and on and on. The anti trappers are well established in every state and very much established nationally they are in your back yard ready to take something you cherish.

Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7249444
04/22/21 10:20 AM
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Renewed my state and NTA membership this morning. Thanks for the reminder!!!!


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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: danny clifton] #7249627
04/22/21 02:44 PM
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Danny Clifton

Originally Posted by danny clifton
many of the same people are still officers james


Beings as this statement has a direct impact on a guy rejoining the NTA:

Please share which Officers are still in Office.



Last edited by Horn; 04/22/21 02:45 PM.
Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7249876
04/22/21 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by WyFurHarvesters
If my post offended you so be it and sorry, if I got one new person to join my post was successful. Yeah the post was part out of frustration, I just cant see why anyone would not be a member of the NTA, FTA or state associations and could be a trapper. Do as you will, but talk to the New Mexico trappers next year their final year of trapping on public land or Colorado, California trappers and on and on. The anti trappers are well established in every state and very much established nationally they are in your back yard ready to take something you cherish.


Your post got me to join so mission accomplished. I'm surprised so many were offended. I took the tag line as tongue-in-cheek and recognized the sense of passion and fear of the potential loss of trapping privileges.

In the end that's what it's all about. The guys who won't support a unified defense of trapping because their egos got offended are biting their nose to spite their face. How offended you gonna be when the day comes that your state goes the way of California, New Mexico, Hawaii?

Last edited by Flint Lock; 04/22/21 10:44 PM.
Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7249904
04/22/21 11:34 PM
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NTA was involved in the New Mexico and probably the California LOSS. While they may try, there are no guarantees. Sometimes I question thier local knowledge. Especially here.

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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: LLtrapper] #7249908
04/22/21 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Do not take this wrong but I am ignorant on this subject. What does the NTA actually do with the money they raise and what do they do to support trapping? Maybe if you explained what they do some more would actually get involved. I am a member of the IA trappers association and I know the lobbiests that work for trappers locally. Seems an odd way to get new members by shaming those not involved instead of maybe educating them. LLL

Make the effort to educate yourself. To many wait for someone else to convince them to join and make stronger one of the few groups advocating for trapping and trappers. there is power in numbers.

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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7249913
04/22/21 11:50 PM
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I'll educate you a little LL. In their magazine trapping is referred to as a sport sometimes. I know how you feel about that. We both feel the same about that marketing Faux Pas.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: Mike Cope] #7249965
04/23/21 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Horn
Danny Clifton

Originally Posted by danny clifton
many of the same people are still officers james


Beings as this statement has a direct impact on a guy rejoining the NTA:

Please share which Officers are still in Office.



Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7249984
04/23/21 06:19 AM
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Any discussion of NTA can only be positive. I dont want banned. So horn how about you tell us how much spending on protecting trapping has increased from the 80 cents for every hundred dollars collected in 2012 and which officers have changed.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: Castormound] #7250011
04/23/21 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Castormound
Renewed my state and NTA membership this morning. Thanks for the reminder!!!!

Thankyou for re upping your state membership Castormound! And to you wyfurharvester for your efforts! We have the same issue trying to get trappers here to join up. Ive been working hard on this here in wyoming. Last winter we were down to under 40 members and in 2019 close to 4000 licenses were sold. Thanks again fellas!

Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7250022
04/23/21 07:26 AM
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Like I mentioned E.J.

As with most things, there's 10% rowing the skiff and 90% on shore telling the 10% where to row.

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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: wy.wolfer] #7250032
04/23/21 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Do not take this wrong but I am ignorant on this subject. What does the NTA actually do with the money they raise and what do they do to support trapping? Maybe if you explained what they do some more would actually get involved. I am a member of the IA trappers association and I know the lobbiests that work for trappers locally. Seems an odd way to get new members by shaming those not involved instead of maybe educating them. LLL

Make the effort to educate yourself. To many wait for someone else to convince them to join and make stronger one of the few groups advocating for trapping and trappers. there is power in numbers.


Oh I know more than I let on or that you think I might.

On another note I may offer a word of advice to the OP. You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar means that it is much easier to get what you want by being polite rather than being rude and insolent. Shaming someone into doing something is a leftist move. Notice I am not trying to draw flies with that statement. LLL


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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: danny clifton] #7250086
04/23/21 09:11 AM
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Paul or other Mods. The first part of the Last line is the ONLY thing that can be construed as negative Please delete that sentence if necessary and leave the post as it is educational about the NTA of today

Originally Posted by danny clifton
Any discussion of NTA can only be positive. I dont want banned. So horn how about you tell us how much spending on protecting trapping has increased from the 80 cents for every hundred dollars collected in 2012 and which officers have changed.


Here is a list of the current officers.

https://www.nationaltrappers.com/contactnta.html

I know that the President, Vice President and General organizer are not the Names that I remember from when the problems of the past, Solliman is dead. Wills is in Prison. I haven't herd anything about Craig Katz in years.

There are more links but I wont post a link to an AR website.
https://www.kristv.com/news/local-n...-long-term-sex-trafficking-of-young-girl

I'm having problems finding a link to Solliman's Obituary but he died suddenly, I believe while on a trip to Michigan.

In Short all of the Officers have changed.

Maybe a phone call or two can answer your financial questions.

The NTA was a Mess. It has improved by leaps and Bounds; and is continuing to get Better.




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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7250092
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https://www.nationaltrappers.com/#

Under the Trappers section there is a Reports and Documents that contains the presidents reports

Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7250424
04/23/21 06:33 PM
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Horn, there is nothing in any of your links showing amount colected and where it was spent. The last report I saw, 2012 finances, said 80 cents for every hundred dollars collected was spent to promote trapping. The two Daves were already long gone. I have said all Im going to say now. Paul please delete this if it violates your rules.


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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: WyFurHarvesters] #7250539
04/23/21 08:52 PM
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No way it's 80 cents out of a 100.00. It's gotta be 80 cents out of every dollar.


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Re: Trappers a Bunch of whining losers! [Re: Mike Cope] #7250574
04/23/21 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Horn
Originally Posted by James
[quote=danny clifton]many of the same people are still officers james


Well, that says a lot. Think I'll pass for the time being.

Jim



Danny the above is the only reason that I asked the question that I did.

You Challenging me to provide financials is a Red Herring.

I'm fine with that... I have also said my piece about this.

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