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Its all just fantasy and talking points. Electrical engineers have already pointed out that the electrical infrastructure simply wont handle the widespread use of electric vehicles. In one example they cited it looked at an average suburban neighbourhood. If every house had just one electric car in that neighbourhood the grid would go down as soon as they were plugged in. Can you imagine the cost to upgrade the grid to handle everyone driving electrical cars!! Thats assuming we had the power to begin with, which we dont. Dont sell that gas engine yet.
It'd require a significant upgrade in electrical capacity, but probably not as much as you'd think. There are challenged to be conquered for sure regarding the grid, but it can be done.
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[Re: M.Magis]
#7253670 04/28/2112:03 PM04/28/2112:03 PM
If they get their way, no one will get to do anything, no travel, have to eat grass, all in the name of "saving the planet"! Resist all their nonsense!
I picked up a few 12 gauge Fiocchi hulls at the skeet range last night, you know the clear ones so you can see that they are the ones you loaded 00 buck in - at a glance
Since most of the people that are shoving elc cars down our throats fly everywhere or they are driven across town they miss a big problem with elec cars. OR just don't care because they know they won't work. HOW will a family vacation look In the future. We drive 700 miles to the beach once a year . I pull in to a GAS station and in 15 -20 minutes ,trucks full , bathroom breaks and drinks in hand back on the rode. OK in their dumb idiot world. I drive 250 miles pull in to a CHARGING station . Sit 2-3 hours . Drive another 250 repeat. . 10 hour drive now take over 16 hrs.
By the this may take place, your kids will be grown up and your family trips will be memories.
Also, they don't care.
No Jab.
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[Re: jbyrd63]
#7253714 04/28/2101:16 PM04/28/2101:16 PM
If we keep looking at the future through our review mirror, we won't see where we are going. If the electric vehicle catches on the supportive industries will be there as well.
Bryce
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[Re: jbyrd63]
#7253721 04/28/2101:22 PM04/28/2101:22 PM
So many problems with electric cars. 250 miles on one charge will be greatly reduced in cold weather climates. Batteries are very expensive. Electric cars are about double the price of a standard, comparable automobile. What if you are caught in a traffic jam where several vehicles ran out of battery? Who do you call? I see this happening a lot. What happens to all the batteries that die?
The solution to all of this nonsense is LP gas. Clean burning, much less costly than electric cars, and far more reliable and practical.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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[Re: jbyrd63]
#7253764 04/28/2102:24 PM04/28/2102:24 PM
When it costs $20 to trade in a empty 20# propane tank for a full one, what will it cost to trade in a battery? And, there'll likely be a disposal fee when they go bad. Sounds like something the rich will enjoy and the working class will go without. And the elite will still have their private jets of course.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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[Re: jbyrd63]
#7253771 04/28/2102:37 PM04/28/2102:37 PM
I think the way we are headed with the hybrid electric/gas power plants is a good move and we should let the market drive the change. All the energy used by the vehicle is generated by a small internal combustion engine running most of the time at peak efficiency. It charges the battery when it has extra power and the battery powered electric motor kicks in when more power is needed than the engine can generate. They are very fuel efficient and support the development of improved batteries, and have no range limitation. Developing a market by providing a superior product is a whole lot better than trying to legislate a technological leap.
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[Re: lee steinmeyer]
#7253778 04/28/2102:47 PM04/28/2102:47 PM
Well Clete, it looks like the goose is all in! No resistance from he or boco. Looks like we're screwed!
Pretty much, yup. I've never once advocated for governmental force to be used to implement electric vehicles. But, that's the way the market is headed, whether you like it or not. Complaining about electric cars is no different than a horse and.buggy maker complaining about cars (they carry around gasoline!!!! They go so fast), or a 1970s mechanic complaining about solid state ignition and fuel injection (the voltage might kill me!!! 40 psi fuel pressure!!!! Too hard to work on!!!!! Can't improve performance!!!!!!)
Look, I like cool cars as much as the next guy. I daily drive a 77 F150. But electric cars are coming. You can either.bury your head in the sand, or you can accept it. I plan on making money off of it,.when they break I'll fix em. All the old mechanics who didn't want to learn how to work on them can stand by their tool boxes and twiddle their thumbs.
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[Re: EdP]
#7253780 04/28/2102:48 PM04/28/2102:48 PM
I think the way we are headed with the hybrid electric/gas power plants is a good move and we should let the market drive the change. All the energy used by the vehicle is generated by a small internal combustion engine running most of the time at peak efficiency. It charges the battery when it has extra power and the battery powered electric motor kicks in when more power is needed than the engine can generate. They are very fuel efficient and support the development of improved batteries, and have no range limitation. Developing a market by providing a superior product is a whole lot better than trying to legislate a technological leap.
That's how the chevy volt operates....it uses the electric motor to drive, the gas engine is only there to charge the batteries.
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[Re: loosegoose]
#7253784 04/28/2102:57 PM04/28/2102:57 PM
Well Clete, it looks like the goose is all in! No resistance from he or boco. Looks like we're screwed!
Pretty much, yup. I've never once advocated for governmental force to be used to implement electric vehicles. But, that's the way the market is headed, whether you like it or not. Complaining about electric cars is no different than a horse and.buggy maker complaining about cars (they carry around gasoline!!!! They go so fast), or a 1970s mechanic complaining about solid state ignition and fuel injection (the voltage might kill me!!! 40 psi fuel pressure!!!! Too hard to work on!!!!! Can't improve performance!!!!!!)
Look, I like cool cars as much as the next guy. I daily drive a 77 F150. But electric cars are coming. You can either.bury your head in the sand, or you can accept it. I plan on making money off of it,.when they break I'll fix em. All the old mechanics who didn't want to learn how to work on them can stand by their tool boxes and twiddle their thumbs.
Will you be allowed to work on them unless you're a dealer mechanic?
So if it still has a gas engine what are we gaining? Other than added expense of an electric motor that has to run on the power provided by the gas engine. Maybe they could just sell the lektrik car and throw in a Honda generator.
Last edited by Gary Benson; 04/28/2103:01 PM.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Big problem with ELEC cars idiots forgot.
[Re: jbyrd63]
#7253789 04/28/2103:01 PM04/28/2103:01 PM
So while our military uses electric powered vehicles, the rest of the world (our enemies) run on gas-powered engines. Wonder who'll win that contest? While we are closing down our coal fired plants, China is building more. Can China or Russia be trusted to convert to electric from fossil fuels? I doubt these two countries place the environment at the top of their list of concerns, not to mention countries like Iran, North Korea, etc.
We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
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[Re: SNIPERBBB]
#7253790 04/28/2103:06 PM04/28/2103:06 PM
[quote=loosegoose] Will you be allowed to work on them unless you're a dealer mechanic?
Maybe. Dealers are taking more control over their vehicles, as they own the intellectual rights (module programming and such) to them. Most likely, independence places will still be able to work on them, but you'll have to use a manufacturer specific scan tool. That's how dodges are now. Anything after 2018 has to use a factory scan tool with an internet connection for most functions. The scan tool reports back to dodge codes and such, and dodge keeps track of that to improve vehicles and come up with programming updates. I assume it'll probably be the same for all electric vehicles.
In any case, as a mechanic, I can either accept it and learn to work on them and make money, or I can tidy up my tool box and sweep floors while the other guy works on them. It doesn't really matter how I feel about them, they're coming no matter what so all I can do is be ready.