That left a mark JS. He's prolly out hunting snakes or such about now.

Slaves (human workers) were the biggest asset the southern states or land owners had. There were 9 million people in the southern states at the time of the start of the war, of which roughly 1 million were slaves. The type of agriculture the south had, cotton and tobacco were labor intensive thus slaves were utilized to do most of the manual work. Without slaves the wealthier southerners would not have near the assets nor the labor to harvest crops and thus little to no liquidity, so fighting for the right to maintain ownership was considered to be their best option at the time. States rights may well have played into the argument, but money and economies were a bigger deal. States rights has gained more traction in the later years as it is deemed a more noble cause then fighting to maintain ownership of humans.
Also in the North if you could find someone to take your place for the draft you could and the going rate was $200. Many new immigrants took that as they were not aware of the sacrifice of the service, but Homestead Act promos etc. encouraged them to take the risk.
In the south if you owned 20 or more slaves you were exempted from fighting which is why the southern slogan was "it is a rich man's war and a poor man's fight".

Bryce

The fact remains the South was unsuccessful in succeeding to secede.Bunch of suckholes.

Losers.

Jim

Same as all wars - Money and control.

Splitting hairs. Slavery would not have been the driving cause were it not for the cheap labor slavery provided. One aspect of eternal racial slavery as opposed to economic slavery (indenture, debtor, etc) is that it inculcated a sense of permanence and social structure that made it's abolition unthinkable.
Had slavery not been profitable I guarantee the south would've forcibly removed the black population.

Pride cometh before a fall big boy, I'll go get the pencil, now you just go on with all your holy awesomeness.

I would disagree on the north seeking to preserve the union. Do realize just how much export revenue left with the south? Those very tariffs we objected to were over half of the entire federal revenue stream. Lincoln had as much if not more of a financial reason to force the southern states back into the union.

Not much as apparently the british told them to pound sand when they threatened to stop exporting when they were lookinging for recognition and support.

Best posts of the thread so far.

Boco just a reminder about us southerners...



James and shooter just be glad us losers took care of Cornwallis for y'all. There wouldn't have been a union to fight for.

^this is true. And also a good song. The kids get annoyed when I sing it too much.

Farm equipment

Anyone that graduated 6th grade got it hammered into em, that it was fought over freeing the oppressed black slaves. Now I never claimed to have made it that far in school but, if that was the main reason this country went to war, why did ol Abe wait until the Yankee's were about to lose before he issued the Emancipation Proclamation declaring them free. Me thinks he done that to start a uprising to slow the Johnny Reb arsewhooping gettin laid on the Yanks. I don't think he ever intended to free them, but was grasping at straws to save the North in a fight he never wanted to get into. Then that drunk Indian fighter from Missouri showed up to save the Nation. What a puttz. Conspiracy theory,maybe, maybe not.

If that darn Mississippi River wouldn't have flowed from north to south, that there drunk indian fighter might not of made it to Vicksburg.
On a side note, if any of y'all yanks want to play Sherman and burn Atlanta to the ground I'm sure you would have a lot of southerners volunteer to wear the blue.

Sorry, but as much as you twist it, you’ll never make the war to be about slavery because it wasn’t.

It was about taxes and freedom.

Or as someone said above, money and control.

The civil war was fought over wether the US would be a nation of men or sissies...unfortunately due to shear numbers, a navy and a few other things the sissies won and now we have things like this...




... congratulations yanks.. y’all should be proud lol

Savell, you been cruising them naughty sites again?

Where'd you get that pic of wolfie and JP?