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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259219
05/06/21 11:38 PM
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Funny James the Democrats lost the war and have treated them as subordinates ever since. Good grief!


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: J Staton] #7259227
05/06/21 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by J Staton
I would have to agree with Dirt that technology would have made the type of slave labor needed in agriculture obsolete. Why go to town in a wagon when you can ride in a truck.
I do believe we would be about 40 year behind in race relations. Would be like 1981.


.. excellent.. no gangsta rap or the Cosby show... ol Bill turned a few otherwise open minded gals into confederate sympathizers I’d imagine


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: Dirt] #7259229
05/06/21 11:54 PM
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Labor in the north wasn't cheap during the Civil War, quite the opposite. If you read material from the time, there was a fear emancipated slaves would flee north and drive labor rates down. The north had the advantage by already being highly industrialized by the time the war came around. The south depended heavily on blockade runners to get the goods they needed to sustain their war effort.

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259244
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New England controlled the federal government and were flexing their muscles. That was kinda like Cuomo pushing to change USA to United States of New York, except Cuomo lacks control of an army.

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259245
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The north was already awash in cheap labor with the flood of foreign immigrants. Plus, they didn't need as much labor as the South since farms were smaller in the north.


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: James] #7259254
05/07/21 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by James
But blacks would have been treated as a subordinate, inferior race long past the civil rights era in the North. Jim


Are you talking about the civil rights that the Democrats fought against, and it took the republicans to pass civil rights legislation? Or the republican, Abraham Lincoln that produced the Emancipation Proclimation? These facts seems to be overlooked.



Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259260
05/07/21 01:01 AM
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In Lincoln's time, the Republican Party was the progressive party. The Democratic party was more of a regressive party--racist and segregationist.

Things have changed since the civil rights movement, and the two parties no longer fill the roles they once did.

I'm not a Democrat, so won't defend their history.

Jim


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259264
05/07/21 02:11 AM
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Hank Jr. said "If the South would of won we'd of had it made!" Just saying???


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259273
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the fight wasn't over mistreatment of black people. it was fought to prevent slave states from becoming industrialized and manufacturing with slave labor. "free" states were afraid of being bankrupted. very few VERY few white people thought black people were their equal.


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: Scout1] #7259285
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Originally Posted by Scout1
Taxes!!!! The North can claim slavery all it wants!

spot on

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259286
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75% of the worlds cotton was being shipped out of the southern ports and the north wanted a piece of that.. simple history

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259292
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“All men created equal”

“that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom”

Yup, that sounds like today’s Democratic Party. lol


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259294
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many christian churches of the day taught that africans were the sons of ham and enslavement of them was gods will

created equal was only for white people

lets not try to say our ancesters were something they were not

they were only people. for all their great accomplishments they still had faults. we can recognize both without diminishing their greatness


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: danny clifton] #7259297
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
many christian churches of the day taught that africans were the sons of ham and enslavement of them was gods will

created equal was only for white people

lets not try to say our ancesters were something they were not

they were only people. for all their great accomplishments they still had faults. we can recognize both without diminishing their greatness




Are you a proponent of the great party switch, believing today’s democrats were the republicans of 1800 and today’s republicans were 1800 democrats?


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259299
05/07/21 05:57 AM
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I think this thread may indicate - as an example - why history is open to interpretation. The books we read, the articles we reference, and all of it, have been written by folks just like Tman'ers who hold "opinions." Do we think our ancestors didn't have them? Sure they did. Same as on here... facts, championed as the "truth," as seen through the eyes of the beholder.

When does Darwinism kick in on that process?



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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259301
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i dont know what the great switch is

republicans in 1860 could not have cared less about the hardship of being black in america. the party was run by industrialists. they were afraid that factories would be built in the south and slave labor used. which probably would have happened when the cotton gin was invented

democrats at the time did not pretend to care about american black people the way they do today if thats what your talking about. it was republicans who were the great pretenders where race was concerned. even after the constitutional change abolishing slavery, black americans were not equal under the law.

today democrats are still saying that anyone not white is incapable of taking care of themselves and their families without a babysitter called government


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: PFC Davis] #7259303
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lol


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7259311
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Civel War came about by situations like this thread where everything was the fault of someone else . where no one could agree or give an inch on anything. much like this thread. England could not support slavery. England one of the souths biggest cotton customers. England went to Egypt and helped in the development of the Nile valley and got their cotton there which added to the woes of the South.

Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: mole] #7259318
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Originally Posted by mole
Civel War came about by situations like this thread where everything was the fault of someone else . where no one could agree or give an inch on anything. much like this thread. England could not support slavery. England one of the souths biggest cotton customers. England went to Egypt and helped in the development of the Nile valley and got their cotton there which added to the woes of the South.


Yet it was England that was the main culprit in establishing the African slave trade, then seeking to abolish it when it no longer served their purposes.


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Re: What was the Civil War Fought Over? [Re: James] #7259326
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Originally Posted by James
In Lincoln's time, the Republican Party was the progressive party. The Democratic party was more of a regressive party--racist and segregationist.

Things have changed since the civil rights movement, and the two parties no longer fill the roles they once did.

I'm not a Democrat, so won't defend their history.

Jim

34% of abortions' in U.S. are black. While blacks make up only 13.4% of the U.S. population. The democrat party is a staunch defender of abortion.
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