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Gardening question #7260288
05/08/21 04:34 PM
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Can cabbage plants withstand a frost or should they be covered?


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Re: Gardening question [Re: Nittany Lion] #7260293
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They can take a frost without issue.

Re: Gardening question [Re: Nittany Lion] #7260313
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Cabbage moth caterpillars are your next new enemy.
Maybe not if your first time planting that location.
They are why kraut is made.

Floating row covers, BT, and seven dust are the cures, in that order.

Still frosty here too, lighting stove now.

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Re: Gardening question [Re: Nittany Lion] #7260324
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Yep, no problem.

Re: Gardening question [Re: Nittany Lion] #7260337
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It takes a really hard freeze to kill cabbage and most brassica. Down here cabbage, collard, broccoli, kale, turnip, mustard, rutabaga and all the rest survive all winter. Matter of fact I've never seen a winter killed brassica down here and we get into the teens at least once most years and I have seen 8° once.


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Brussels sprout my fav, had two winter over and collected the seed.
Reminds me to start some.
I could easily trade some those seed, I did germ test but not sure how they do. F3?

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My cabbage have been thru several frost this year, down in the mid 20’s

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The card that came with my cabbage plants said they do well in early and late season, so I would assume that means they can take and even thrive in colder weather. Insects are starting to take their toll on mine. I have never been able to grow broccoli without using gross amounts of pesticides, something I won't do, and I am hoping the cabbage doesn't end up the same way.

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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Ok, here's another garden question.

Big rain coming, maybe. TS Elsa Anyways.

I have cantaloupes about 7-10 days til ripe. I have tomatoes in the same range. Been cutting the water back on the cantaloupes so they can be sweeter. If we get a big rain, both of them will crack/pop. Anybody got any suggestions on how to prevent this from happening?


Not much. Tomatoes can be picked at breaker stage. Not much you can do with cantaloupe other than getting them up off the wet ground by sliding some sort of pad or cradle under them to get them out of the mud. If they are anywhere near slip the sugar is set already.


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Originally Posted by Flint Lock
The card that came with my cabbage plants said they do well in early and late season, so I would assume that means they can take and even thrive in colder weather. Insects are starting to take their toll on mine. I have never been able to grow broccoli without using gross amounts of pesticides, something I won't do, and I am hoping the cabbage doesn't end up the same way.


Yes, they thrive in cool weather. Down here they overwinter just fine. Mater of fact now is the time for us to start seeds for the fall crop that'll be harvested well into January. Then set out plants in February for the spring crop.


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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Ok, here's another garden question.

Big rain coming, maybe. TS Elsa Anyways.

I have cantaloupes about 7-10 days til ripe. I have tomatoes in the same range. Been cutting the water back on the cantaloupes so they can be sweeter. If we get a big rain, both of them will crack/pop. Anybody got any suggestions on how to prevent this from happening?


Plunge a spade shovel into the soil on one side of the plants.





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I was taught to go around tomato plants with a shovel, about a foot away from stem. Shove shovel full blade into ground in a circle around plant . Limits water up take and triggers tomatoes to al ripen on that plant. Grew up helping Grandparents grow for their produce stand.


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Re: Gardening question [Re: Nittany Lion] #7301082
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The cabbage was fine, my wife made slaw and sauerkraut the other day.


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Re: Gardening question [Re: Nittany Lion] #7301224
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I planted some cabbage seeds two days ago and I plan to transplant the plants into my green bean rows when they are done. I hope to get late cabbage, broccoli and cauliflower about mid October or so. I have left cabbage out until November but they had large heads on them. I have found that leaving carrots out even until there is some frozen ground seems to give them more flavor.

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I remember grandma pulling cabbage out of the snow when I was a kid, and they were fine. I'm planning on planting some cabbage, broccoli, and cauliflower next week for a fall crop. I'll start them inside under grow lights, and keep them until they are about 2-3" tall before transplanting them outside around the 1st week of August. I use BT every other week to help control pest. I tried the row covers for the 1st time this year, and I think my plants got too hot. I do have black poly fabric down too, so the combination may have been too much. I may have to open them up in the evening to let them "breath" a bit. IDK. I did plant a lot of marigolds and herbs around my cole crops this year. I have noticed a huge difference in the number of bugs I've seen.

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Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I was taught to go around tomato plants with a shovel, about a foot away from stem. Shove shovel full blade into ground in a circle around plant . Limits water up take and triggers tomatoes to al ripen on that plant. Grew up helping Grandparents grow for their produce stand.

I'm sure that will stop all intake of water, as you will be cutting the roots.


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Originally Posted by Lufkin Trapper
Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I was taught to go around tomato plants with a shovel, about a foot away from stem. Shove shovel full blade into ground in a circle around plant . Limits water up take and triggers tomatoes to al ripen on that plant. Grew up helping Grandparents grow for their produce stand.

I'm sure that will stop all intake of water, as you will be cutting the roots.

No not all of the water, I said a foot away from plant. When I pull plants at end of season the major root ball is within the 1 foot circle. Reducing water uptake during my ripening time for tomatoes has stopped splitting 100 % for me. This has worked for me. I have even tried it next to plants that I didn't spade around. The untouched plant split. I even think it improved taste, with firmer tomatoes.

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7-10 days in my opinion is not close enough to cause cracking. Also depends on varieties as some are more prone to cracking then others. If your really 7-10 days away I would say your fine

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I would think that cutting water flow to the roots would be an issue for those growing indeterminant or vining tomatoes that have a much longer growing and ripening season and the plant continues to grow and flower after the first fruits develop. I grow mostly determinant tomatoes but have 10 indeterminant plants. I process the bulk of my tomatoes so if a few split I am usually picking often and they get processed anyway.

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