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Re: Electronic question [Re: adam m] #7262622
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It's been hectic here tonight, I'll go through the comments in a bit.

I should've clarified, the neutral with 120 is at the pancake box. The pictures of the double stack switch is the original switch and how originally wired and the grounds aren't connected to the switch. There's no red to the ceiling but one in the box.
This switch is part of a circuit that includes my son's room and there light/ fan works fine

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Re: Electronic question [Re: adam m] #7262635
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If you got a meter try finding the wires from the pancake box in the switch box by tying the white and black together and using the ohm part on the meter to read the wires . But make sure the power is off or you will have a few sparks .

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Re: Electronic question [Re: adam m] #7262686
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Totally off the original subject... that box looks to be fan rated but I've never been a fan of pancake boxes for ceiling fans. However, it is what it is.

Back on track...

So that switch has 2 separate toggles: one for the light, one for the fan... But there's only one 2 conductor cable going to the ceiling box? What was the bare ground in the ceiling box attached to before?

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Re: Electronic question [Re: adam m] #7262707
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Looks like the ground is being used as a neutral to get 2 switch legs at the fan location. No good. Change to one switch on and off. Use remote to change speed and control lights.

Re: Electronic question [Re: adam m] #7262761
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That’s my question. Where is the neutral for the fan/light in the ceiling box? Hope you’re not using the bare copper for the neutral.


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Did you check the fan to make sure it works?

Would not be the first time something brand new was DOA

If everything was working and now this fan is not then that is what I would start with

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Originally Posted by JBtrapper
Looks like the ground is being used as a neutral to get 2 switch legs at the fan location. No good. Change to one switch on and off. Use remote to change speed and control lights.


That was my suspicion as well.

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It has been a busy day finally had time to get to this.
I decided to look at goe the boys room is wired with the same exact fan/ light and stacked switch.
I had to install a fan pancake box because of the location of the hole for the wires and the original setup is....well here's the pictures. Exact same setup so

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Here's the switch in my daughter's room.
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Re: Electronic question [Re: adam m] #7263135
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Using the ground as neutral. Rewire and use remote or pull chains for fan and light selections.

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Very bad wiring job .... you CANNOT use the bare ground as a neutral ....
Fire waiting to happen .....
Call an electrician now !!!!

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JBT, can't use pull chains yet that is on a vaulted ceiling.
Slowpoke, just like every single thing the previous owner touched mad electrician will be here sometime this week or next to start rewire and full inspection because of the kitchen fire. I told him while other contractors here that since the ac (swamp cooler) got hooked up (which led to fire) I've been having a lot of lights flickering. Thankfully the electrical was ran so poorly in the kitchen rewire and full inspection has to be done.

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Between what the fire revealed and this I think this whole house needs a complete rewire. mad
I pray the insurance will cover it.
I'm honestly surprised this house hasn't burned down or collapsed yet. I wish I could hold the previous owners accountable for creating such a dangerous situation. If I wasn't in such a tight spot at the time I would've walked away from buying this house.

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