Re: Correct me please !
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05/12/21 07:14 PM
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If we keep electing enemies I wouldn't get too hopeful I'm not fully sure the people holding the country hostage for ransom was elected, unless maybe this is some how tied to putting us all in cars that runs on a rubber band.
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Re: Correct me please !
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05/12/21 07:18 PM
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Facts are out the window feeling have taken it’s place, no forward thinking or problem solving allowed. Victims get paid making yourself one is in fashion now.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Correct me please !
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05/12/21 09:51 PM
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Am I just dreaming or would it be possible to have big things that matter , like pipe lines, water companys, the electric grid and more on closed systems. Why couldn't they do that with fiber optics any where in the U.S. and if a leak happened maybe it would be easier to find and fix. Surely it would be a long term investment and wouldn't cost as much as shutting the country down. Seriously asking. Just hope our entire defense system is set up differently than what we are seeing with the pipe lines, but now I'm wondering.
We are sitting ducks with our energy and defense all tied to a satellite or tower we are sharing with the rest of the world. But what do I know, I push the button on my puter and some how I connect . This problem isn't really a problem, it's politics creating it on purpose.
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Re: Correct me please !
[Re: Foxpaw]
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05/12/21 10:39 PM
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Am I just dreaming or would it be possible to have big things that matter , like pipe lines, water companys, the electric grid and more on closed systems. Why couldn't they do that with fiber optics any where in the U.S. and if a leak happened maybe it would be easier to find and fix. Surely it would be a long term investment and wouldn't cost as much as shutting the country down. Seriously asking. Just hope our entire defense system is set up differently than what we are seeing with the pipe lines, but now I'm wondering.
We are sitting ducks with our energy and defense all tied to a satellite or tower we are sharing with the rest of the world. But what do I know, I push the button on my puter and some how I connect . Half of what you typed about got shut down with the new prez by exec ord! Ask your gov't, how to get us back into world domination, like we were...let's say, 6 months ago!
Act like a blank, get treated like a blank. Insert your own blank!
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Re: Correct me please !
[Re: Foxpaw]
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05/13/21 06:27 AM
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I'm not sure how to answer your Q Foxpaw, but I found half the big rigs in America. There is suddenly more and more - a solid line of 18 wheelers for hundreds of miles - headed south on I-35 to Laredo, Texas and then into Mexico to pick up freight I guess. The trains and trains and trains of shipping containers now coming up from Mexico on the rails leading north are rolling, rolling, rolling. I mean it's pouring in!
I thought we bought everything from China? I guess it's now Mexico?
We are a country more and more built on technology and the service sector. The manufactured goods we source out more and more. It would seem that would lead to opportunities for bad actors to inject themselves into the production chain of the things we no longer make down the street, but rather bring in from around the world. We'll see how it goes. Maybe it's awesome. Maybe it's opportunities for bad guys.
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Re: Correct me please !
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05/13/21 06:59 AM
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Am I just dreaming or would it be possible to have big things that matter , like pipe lines, water companys, the electric grid and more on closed systems. Why couldn't they do that with fiber optics any where in the U.S. and if a leak happened maybe it would be easier to find and fix. Surely it would be a long term investment and wouldn't cost as much as shutting the country down. Seriously asking. Just hope our entire defense system is set up differently than what we are seeing with the pipe lines, but now I'm wondering.
We are sitting ducks with our energy and defense all tied to a satellite or tower we are sharing with the rest of the world. But what do I know, I push the button on my puter and some how I connect . Yes. Anything is possible. It's just a matter of priorities. I don't know how to stop a hacker but I would hope we have people that do.
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Re: Correct me please !
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05/13/21 07:19 AM
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Building a local computer network that is "air gapped" is done all the time. Where I work, there is an accounting system that is air gapped from the rest of the internet.
It's also possible to purchase or lease fiber from anywhere to anywhere else that's not connected to the rest of the internet. This is usually called "dark fiber" since you just lease the cable and you "light" it yourself with your own equipment on each end. This lets your office in Chicago connect to your office in Dallas without any connections to the rest of the internet. Dark fiber is expensive.
The reason it's so rarely done is that it's inconvenient to do. There are services that provide automatic backups an they are available across the internet and they're much simpler (and probably better) than trying to do it yourself. If the plant manager needs to log onto a machine to fix something at 2:00am from home, he needs to connect across the internet. If your business sends email to anyone, it needs to be connected to the internet. etc, etc, etc.
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Re: Correct me please !
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05/13/21 07:43 AM
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I'm not sure how to answer your Q Foxpaw, but I found half the big rigs in America. There is suddenly more and more - a solid line of 18 wheelers for hundreds of miles - headed south on I-35 to Laredo, Texas and then into Mexico to pick up freight I guess. The trains and trains and trains of shipping containers now coming up from Mexico on the rails leading north are rolling, rolling, rolling. I mean it's pouring in!
I thought we bought everything from China? I guess it's now Mexico?
We are a country more and more built on technology and the service sector. The manufactured goods we source out more and more. It would seem that would lead to opportunities for bad actors to inject themselves into the production chain of the things we no longer make down the street, but rather bring in from around the world. We'll see how it goes. Maybe it's awesome. Maybe it's opportunities for bad guys.
Mark, doesn't china own that canal across Panama now? Bet the frieght is getting to expensive by container , so they're trucking it from the shortest point, maybe. Just a guess, but while Mexico makes a lot of stuff, china is the puppet master. Get ready to talk chinese!
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Re: Correct me please !
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05/13/21 08:00 AM
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You're being played. If gas system is like the electric it can be manually shut off or turned on in a matter of hours unless structures are down and need repair. I was a lineman for 38 yrs. Computer to radio control can be overridden. Unqualified dispatch could factor in time down. The thought entered my mind that maybe since the Keystone deal met resistance in a big way, then maybe its not such a bad deal for people to do without something for a week just to make them appreciate what they take for granted. People tend to think differently when its their car that won't run. Kinda like the old saying," its a recession when your neighbor is out of work, its a depression when I'm out of work"
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Re: Correct me please !
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05/13/21 09:25 AM
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You're being played. If gas system is like the electric it can be manually shut off or turned on in a matter of hours unless structures are down and need repair. I was a lineman for 38 yrs. Computer to radio control can be overridden. Unqualified dispatch could factor in time down. Except that all of the variable frequency drives on the pumps are controlled second by second by the software. Valve positions change constantly based on the sensors for flow rate, temperature, pressure, etc. The ultrasonic flow rate sensors are monitored by the software. Think of all the sensors and computer controlled components in your car today. O2 sensors, mass air flow sensors, knock sensors, hall effect crank shaft position sensors - all telling the computer how to set the frequency and dwell time of your fuel injectors, throttle position, spark timing, EGR valve position, and dozens more. That engine could be run without a computer if somebody engineered work-arounds for all of those systems - and that's how we used to do it but engines aren't built that way anymore. Multiply that complexity by 100x in a 5,500 mile long gas pipeline.
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Re: Correct me please !
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05/13/21 09:44 AM
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Anything that accepts outside signals or emovable media is hackable. Even Hardline private networks can be disrupted or even splices into with the right equipment and technical knowledge. Fiber optics is a bit trickier to splce with appreciable time till detection. IT departments are finally realizing that they need to disable USB ports. A group of guys can take down a substation down with the right guns and knew what to hit. It nearly happened once already.
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