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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7269266
05/21/21 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
So who do you trust to believe this experimental vaccine is safe?

With everything that has been said and most importantly what has not been said, I trust no one.

The problem with pro experimental vaccine folks is they think those who don't trust the experimental vaccine are anti vax. WE ARE NOT!!! For the billionth time, we do not yet trust an experimental vaccine that has only been out 5 months.

I sincerely hope it works and does no harm to anyone, BUT only time will tell.

When more information is found that is negative and then presented on here, the person who presents it is a youtube kook. How about, FOR ONCE, watching the videos presented with an open ear and open eyes. Hoping it fails is saying I hope the side effects are harmful to you. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE I WANT HARM ON YOU!!!

FOR GOODNESS SAKES!!!!

Amen


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"We are fast approaching... rule by brute force."
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7269267
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There have been many issues with many vaccines over the very few decades we've been messing with them. We still do not fully understand the human body, our immune system, vaccines and especially mRNA. Human beings have died during mRNA trials.

Further, the China virus vaccine was super rushed. Faster than ever before in history.
Using a tech that has never been used successfully in the entire history of the world.
Lastly, these China virus vaccines are being pushed extremely heavily for nothing more than a common cold.

If you're not made skeptical and uneasy by all of this, you're not too bright.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
-Edmund Burke
"We are fast approaching... rule by brute force."
-Ayn Rand
Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: wr otis] #7269270
05/21/21 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wr otis
My friend's kid works in a midwest hospital, told own parents if they hadn't got the shot already don't. Said they are getting as many cases of side effects as they are covid.

Exactly.


"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
-Edmund Burke
"We are fast approaching... rule by brute force."
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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7269352
05/21/21 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
I for one, hope it works. I am amazed that some of you are so negative. You seem to hope it will not work. Each to his own. Sad to go through life with a negative outlook. Who do you trust for medical advice - surely not Trump.


President Donald Trump has spent hours urging Americans to get the Covid Vaccinations he worked so hard to get for us and that he himself took.



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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7269437
05/21/21 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by charles
Doesn’t matter how it’s made. Safety and effectiveness is all that matters. Call it anything you wish, but don’t call it a failure.


This is the classic response of a covid vaccine extremist.

People have tried to tell you the other side but you won't hear it and use blanket statements like above like you are putting your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA.

I sincerely hope there are few to no side effects but to think this is a success based on 5 months of actual dispensing is not smart. It does not take a rocket scientist to decide to wait and see.

Safety and effectiveness are all that matter? GOOD LORD!!!


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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7269454
05/21/21 06:06 PM
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Its bad when they have to bribe ya or lie to ya to take a vaccine for a virus that it so bad you have to be tested to know if you have it. and its 99.8 percent survivable, exactly the same as the flue, man there are a bunch of gullible people in the he man trappers club!

Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: charles] #7269462
05/21/21 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
Doesn’t matter how it’s made. Safety and effectiveness is all that matters. Call it anything you wish, but don’t call it a failure.

I bet more people died because of poor immune systems and poor health than not having a vaccine. Americans for the most part are overweight and unhealthy. That is a big problem.


No Jab.
Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7269466
05/21/21 06:19 PM
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Maybe the vaccine takers are getting a vaccine for an agent to be released on July 4th killing all non vaccinators. Might be what China Joe was threatening. If .gov were looking for complete control what better way to get it. Eliminate those rebellious of .gov and only allow the compliant (controllable) to survive....... Removing tin foil hat now.

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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7269485
05/21/21 06:41 PM
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I did a search a few weeks ago also. It wasn't a "vaccine" until Feb 6 this year. Look up the definition and when it changed and read that. Feb 5 it wasn't a vaccine -- then presto chango Feb 6 the "new" definition calls it a vaccine. If you don't like the rules, or in this case, the definition just change it to match what you want. I wonder who controlled that change up-Hmmm.
Idiots!

Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7269502
05/21/21 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
2017 influenza deaths- 55,672

2018 influenza deaths- 59,120

2019 influenza deaths- 49,783

2020 influenza deaths- 8,786

Just some numbers from the CDC to chew on.

Speaking of deaths.... do a search on current covid deaths.
It took me about 15 minutes last night to find that number. Depending on the website you look at the death number is 585k-590k. Which is around 200k deaths in Bidens 4 months. There's certainly no outcry and ther death number the media kept pushing has been swept under the rug

Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7269505
05/21/21 07:11 PM
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I don't under stand all the worry and angst from the folks NOT getting the shots, for whatever reason....I got the shot, no big deal, you don't get the shot, also no big deal. Seems to matter a lot to those NOT getting it. I wish everyone well, shot or no shot.


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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7269512
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by charles
Doesn’t matter how it’s made. Safety and effectiveness is all that matters. Call it anything you wish, but don’t call it a failure.


This is the classic response of a covid vaccine extremist.

People have tried to tell you the other side but you won't hear it and use blanket statements like above like you are putting your fingers in your ears and singing LA LA LA LA.

I sincerely hope there are few to no side effects but to think this is a success based on 5 months of actual dispensing is not smart. It does not take a rocket scientist to decide to wait and see.

Safety and effectiveness are all that matter? GOOD LORD!!!

Could you point out to me, "The people that asked you for "The other side" I spoke to two doctors, one my primary care Dr. The other Dr. is my daughter. I certainly didn't come here for medical advice. What are your medical credentials?


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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7269593
05/21/21 08:50 PM
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Is anybody selling them "vaccinated cards"?

Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Feedinggrounds] #7269677
05/21/21 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Feedinggrounds
I don't under stand all the worry and angst from the folks NOT getting the shots, for whatever reason....I got the shot, no big deal, you don't get the shot, also no big deal. Seems to matter a lot to those NOT getting it. I wish everyone well, shot or no shot.


Might depend on where you live. Its looking like it might in fact be a big deal if you choose not to take it where I live. They are talking about vaccine passports, even for interprovincial travel. Will grocery stores be next?


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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7270302
05/22/21 08:27 PM
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Quite frankly, I don’t care where it comes from as long as it prevents or at least reduces the death toll in the US. All of the vaccines approved for use in the US, to my knowledge, are an emergency approval rather than a regular approval. And that’s okay by me too. Close to 600,000 people in the US have died as a direct result of Covid-19. Another 30 million or so citizens of the US have had it. TO ME, it is real. TO ME, I’ll take the vaccine because I’ve had pneumonia twice in the last couple years and Covid is said to be worse.

You do what you want. I got the vaccine because at my age (70), the probability of me getting a real nasty case of this stuff is real. My immune system isn’t as robust as someone who is 25-45. I’d venture to say the average person my age has age related medical problems, all of which set us up for very nasty cases of Covid. Getting the vaccine doses are more protection than putting our heads in the sand and saying it isn’t real.

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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7270329
05/22/21 09:24 PM
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The virus is real, the death numbers aren’t. The vaccine isn’t real, it’s a shot that they have no clue about and will tell you so when you get Covid and get the phone calls from your State Health Dept trying to get information. All they know is what they don’t know.

Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7270498
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The CDC has lowered the CT value from a PCR test to be considered Covid positive if the individual has a vaccination.

Deliberate?


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Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7270515
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I personally don't believe the death numbers. I call BS, 600,000 people did not die as a direst result of Covid. The majority from what I've heard and read have been from cases of other illnesses with a covid kicker or scapegoat reason. One of Wisconsin's first deaths was an elderly person with stage 4 cancer. Now how long would they have lived covid or no covid? I'll also not forget when the tests were being performed last summer clinics and hospitals were saying there's a 30% chance of a false positive reading.

IMO the country got duped by this pandemic. It's real, there's no doubt about that but it's not nearly as contagious as we were told. If you want to get the shot get it, if not that's fine too. I don't care. As far as that goes I did get the J&J shot in April. My choice. I also get a flu shot every year and have for quite sometime. I still want someone to explain how 1 person in a house can have covid and in many counts a severe case, yet the other family members don't get it? A guy I work with and is not the picture of health by any means didn't get it yet his wife who's a nurse and in better shape than him got a nasty case. No one can explain it yet it's supposed to be highly contagious.

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https://youtu.be/2DDgDDu1a3o

https://youtu.be/HuMbRBTZhCY

https://youtu.be/DXnMeAoYjGY

I have heard the same thing from multiple "experts" that the animal studies have failed in the past. What did they change to make it work? Or are the "experts" just lieing?

Re: Do a search on covid vaccine [Re: Bogmaster] #7270556
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Whatever you die from if they can get a false positive test they can rule it a covid death, have known i don't know how many around here who had loved ones die from covid according to 'experts' even though they may of had a car accident, motorcycle accident, one's grand mother had been unresponsive for 2 years, total organ failure, was about 97 years old but yep, mean ol covid killed her, all the other factor's had NOTHING to do with it.

So believe what you wish, without Trump none of you would of even had the option of taking a shot if you wanted to. Most that wanted them have them, why alot of place's you could go to get the shot are now closing down, no one else is showing up.

I hope the shots do work and none of you have long term effects from them. My brother had covid as well as his wife but still both ran got the experimental shots. Whatever makes you comfortable, at least my little area up here never went into full blown panic and not much changed through this whole mess, no mask, distancing, etc, etc, and oddly we didn't have massive outbreaks like all that masked up communist city's did.


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