Marriage is a contract between two adults.

Government and Religion sit in the background hoping to bless and/or support it. Who needs them? Well, maybe to manage a dissolution. I see no other purpose to their involvement.

Maybe one other purpose. It give us an opportunity to argue which of the two is stupider.

Why SHOULD the government be involved in theft was the question. The fact that it's constantly involved in theft has no bearing on whether or not it should be.

Why does government need to be involved in the equitable sharing of women? Why would government need to incentivize anything? Might it be because government needs to control? Can't I get married without having Uncle Sam as an unwanted middleman?

Is the U.S. a peaceful culture? Is it full of responsible citizens?

I'm well aware of that. Why should they sell permits to allow me to get married? Why do I need their permission?

I still haven't.

I can't think of a good answer, other than, "They shouldn't.".

I, very much for the most part, don't care whatever adult people do with other consenting adult people. I don't care who they marry, who they screw, what animals they own, what they buy, what they eat, what substances they imbibe, how they dress, what they do to their bodies, how they keep their yard and house, what race they are, what religion they are, who they are friends with or anything else as long as they don't overly, negatively effect me.

Keith

Thats the problem-saying that crap dont affect me just lets it spread.
Gotta bring back the ducking stool.

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Loosegoose -

I agree with you but also challenge you to show me the scripture that allows for re-marriage after a divorce. Divorce was only allowed due to the hardening of our hearts in adultery. Please help me find Gods word that allows any re-marriage other than death of a spouse.

If two dudes wanna get stuck together and be miserable like eveyone else then who cares ?

Yeah what happened to the whose separation of church and state ?

In Matthew 19 Jesus said that any man who divorced his wife except for sexual immorality and marries another woman commits adultery with her. That's usually interpreted to mean that marriage after divorce is only allowed I'd the divorce was due to a cheating partner.

I'd actually agree with you, though, that remarriage is only allowed after the death of a spouse. Marriage and courtship weren't the same back then as they are now, and I've read that the line from Jesus could be more accurately interpreted that breaking off an engagement was allowed due to sexual immorality, that the marriage could be called off before it was finalized, but that once things were finalized, that was it, it was a done deal. They didn't really do engagements back then like we do now, they pretty much just declared themselves married, but it wasn't a done deal until the wedding party. I'll do some looking and see if I can find where I read about it.

Hate crime legislation? It's no secret the left has tried to muzzle outspoken churches.

Found it..


Back before Jesus was born and before Mary and Joseph were married, Joseph found out that Mary was knocked up, and "decided in his mind to divorce her quietly" so that she wouldn't be embarrassed. But how could he divorce her if they weren't married yet? They were betrothed, basically considered married, even though they didn't have the big party, and weren't supposed to be sleeping together..But he could still divorce her, because he presumed that she had been unfaithful, until and angel told him otherwise. That's what Jesus was referring to when he said divorce was permitted due to sexual immorality.....betrothal could be broken off.

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The right to believe or not believe, in any religion, including one you create yourself, is definitely a natural right.

It is not your right to impose your belief on others. If you can show harm to others because of a gay marriage it would be another story.

We all accept laws against stealing because theft harms people for example.

Don't we accept laws protecting stealing if government does it? Why do people look to government to either come up with or enforce morality, especially since more often than not it's as immoral (if not more so) as what it's against?

The "wE nEeD a LaW" mentality is a problem. It's okay to be against gay marriage (I am, I don't agree with any redefinition of marriage) while not trying to use the government as a club to beat others into submitting to your moral code. You may get further by posing reasonable objections (if they let you), than by use of force. Most likely, culture rot will continue either way.

"A republic, if you can keep it."

Franklin knew what he was talking about when he said that.

As for homosexuals, I'm pretty much on the same page as Keith. Makes no nevermind to me... But if that's the way you choose to live you have to deal with it. No special protections... Your boss finds out and fires you, that's the choice you made.

Mike

I think that you're assuming that the man who divorced his wife for a reason other than adultery remarried without first being forgiven for the sin of the divorce.

An unsaved woman marries an unsaved man. They divorce. Sometime afterwards this unsaved woman meets and marries a saved man. This saved man leads his unsaved woman to Christ. Should she divorce her current husband and remarry her former husband as not to live in adultery?

They should divorce and stay divorced. Would you rather they live in adulterous sin? Jesus said they're commiting adultery by marrying, it's not my words, it's his. God never wants us to sin, so he doesn't want us to live there n adultery.

You're reading way more into what was written here. The definition of betrothed is literally engaged. One of three definitions of divorce is to separate or disassociate yourself from someone or something. Joseph was engaged to Mary. He considered breaking the engagement, but of course changed his mind once God told him not to in a dream. AFTER the dream, he then took Mary home, as his wife.