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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279672
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GOD (Good orderly direction) or Just do the next right thing. If a strong faith in the father, son and holy spirit work on improving my behaviors and I treat others as I would like to be treated then that faith is a positive belief for me. On the other hand if believing allows me to do as I wish, when I wish to whom I wish may well be why now over 50% of our population choose not to be a member of any organized religion and will seek the faith they need on their own.

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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279674
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I truly believe if you read and studied the Bible (and through out any perceived ideas) you would be intrigued by the message of the New Testament, even from a secular perspective, on how it deals with human nature and over lapping structure thought all scripture. You might even want to listen to a good apologetic to help you see and understand the themes in the word as the way they thought and wrote back then is a little hard for us Westerners to understand. Even if you took Christ out of the story the message is very applicable to human nature.

Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279675
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For a non believer you always try to stir things up.
I don’t believe in ghost and I do not try to aggravate those who do, keep quite.
Satan is always working thru people to keep things stirred up.

Christians do good works.
Good works will not save you, sinners can do good works.
Saved by grace thru faith

Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279678
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2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

This is the Bema seat of Christ where all who have been saved will actually receive their reward for earthly works. Some will have many crowns and some only a few. It is by faith we are saved but it also says in Titus this "They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work."

I believe good works are important and a Christian will want to do good when Spirit filled. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279679
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Originally Posted by James
So good works accomplish nothing for your immortal soul?

Jim

I do believe there will be rewards for your good works in Heaven but I haven't studied it enough to be 100% sure on it or to feel comfortable to try and explain it.

Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279682
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even though i am a confirmed heathen i still like the music.







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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279688
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While we are on this subject

Sin is short term pleasure traded for long term consequences. And ive seen most of the consequences first hand. Our heavenly Father isn't against joy but he knows the consequences out weigh the pleasures and wants to protect us from them.

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Great songs. I listen to Hank sing that about once a month. I also really enjoy Allen Jackson singing the old Church songs. Joey Feek is also worth listening too.

Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279694
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God loves us so much he had Jesus die for our sins. We do good works because we love him. Good works do not help us get to heaven, we get there by grace alone. WE aiso do good works to show non believers what God's love has done in our lives.

Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279696
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Ephesians Chapter 2

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279702
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James,
I was raised Catholic too, the good works the Catholic church teaches, is to reduce the amount of time spent in Purgatory.
Works as a whole shows ones Faith and does not lead to salvation.

As the author of James (James, Jesus' brother) wrote in his Epistle in chapter 2......14 What use is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can [j]that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, [k]be warmed and be filled,” yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17 In the same way, faith also, if it has no works, is [l]dead, being by itself.

18 But someone [m]may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that [n]God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to acknowledge, you foolish person, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was our father Abraham not justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was working with his works, and [o]as a result of the works, faith was [p]perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was Rahab the prostitute not justified by works also when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: adam m] #7279708
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Originally Posted by adam m
James,
I was raised Catholic too, the good works the Catholic church teaches, is to reduce the amount of time spent in Purgatory.


I don't recall a scriptural reference to a "purgatory"...


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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279712
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well they sure can't hurt and it makes it a better place to be

yes it takes faith but good deeds and works were clearly taught

however in the very early church merely being identified as a Christian was a death sentence. so faith had to be enough if you would be killed for charitable acts tied to Christianity. If you were born a cripple , no sight no legs , no eyes , no hands but could hear the word and had faith it would be enough , charitable acts would be quite hard

you could tie it back to the camel through he eye of a needle parable deeds alone can not be enough if their is no faith , a rich man could do or hire much more numerous deeds than a cripple but if the cripple believes it is enough.


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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279715
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Isn’t this a difference between Catholic and non Catholic Christians? Deeds vs Faith?

Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: Posco] #7279728
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Originally Posted by Posco
Ephesians Chapter 2

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


^^^ this.


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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: James] #7279737
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muzzies believe if they kill an infidel they get bonus points.....dipstick hated that Trump would not let radical muzzies into the USA. What does that mean?


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Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: white marlin] #7279740
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James,
I was raised Catholic too, the good works the Catholic church teaches, is to reduce the amount of time spent in Purgatory.


I don't recall a scriptural reference to a "purgatory"...

Catholics take 1 Corinthians and a teaching in Matthew and define purgatory as a separate place that occurs after death and before heaven. It is also mentioned in Macabes in the Catholic Bible. The Catholic Bible has other books that the Christian Bible does not have. The reason being is during Canonization of the Bible it was determined that books like Macabes does not meet the qualifications.

I forget the greek word or root word Catholics use to define Purgatory.

Re: Cristians: Do good works matter? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7279741
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
It seems no one really tried to answer the question: Do Good Works Matter?


That depends on the motivations behind the good works.

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The Bible says, "Faith without works is dead". You can't have one and not the other. They go hand in hand. People say they "believe" or "have faith" all the time, but by their works(actions) they aren't living as a true Christians, which isn't acceptable in God's eyes.

So if a person does good works, that's commendable, but God requires more than just good works to be looked upon favorably.

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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
It seems no one really tried to answer the question: Do Good Works Matter?

Yes. And No.

Subject A spent his life as a criminal. He's easily killed a dozen people. Serving life in jail, he sincerely repents.

Subject B also spent his life in jail. He only killed one person, believes he deserved it, does not repent.

Subject C has killed 3 people. In his mind they all deserved it.


The thieves on the cross with Jesus are a perfect example of what you are describing.

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