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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: danny clifton] #7279902
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
330 I'd laugh except I know you think all those fairy tales are real.


I guess you have to discredit and actively disbelieve, otherwise if true you have a heep of answering to do for the hatred in your own heart.


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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7279906
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Except wars are being fought over who really is "special". Bottom line its why Japan attacked the U.S. The belief they were destined to rule the Pacific. Their culture of war wasn't that big a deal till they decided to export it.


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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: danny clifton] #7279913
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Japanese people, like the Jews, think they are special. I have no doubt that most modern Japanese don't see a problem with the atrocity's committed in WWII . It was a mistake not hanging Japanese war criminals, including their emperor , the way NAZI's were hung. They were being denied trade due to their treatment of the Chinese and Koreans .

The decision to nuke them was a good one. They earned that response.


Japan has been a much better ally than it would of made an enemy and is critical in countering NK and China. Why is it we only talk about Axis powers war crimes? The Allies also committed atrocities especially the U.S.S.R which committed them with full U.S support and equipment. All this selective outrage while pointing out others who think they are special. Every people thinks they are special or unique or always acted in righteousness.

Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7279917
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How about someone Google Admiral Perry and his forcible entry of the US Navy into Japanese ports to open Japan to foreign trade?
One could argue that Japan was an isolationist and zenophobic culture forced to interact with the west against their will. Same could be said of China as well.

Are we the baddies?

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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7279924
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"Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it " Was a reasonable saying until Jim Jones made it his slogan for brain washing.

Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7280061
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Japan has been a much better ally than it would of made an enemy and is critical in countering NK and China. Why is it we only talk about Axis powers war crimes? The Allies also committed atrocities especially the U.S.S.R which committed them with full U.S support and equipment. All this selective outrage while pointing out others who think they are special. Every people thinks they are special or unique or always acted in righteousness.[/quote]
Because Axis war crimes were sanctioned by the government and ours werent.It's one thing to do it on a large scale with broad support for your actions,including earning medals being promoted,and another thing when it's being done on a personal level.War crimes happen every time there is one,not every government ok's and supports it.The U.S. did not knowingly support Russian atrocities during WW2,and there was no official document supporting it in the Soviet army.It depended on who was running the show in different units.Some looked the other way,some condemned it,and at least one threatened to shoot any soldier caught torturing germans.The Soviets admitted it was hard to control their troops when they entered Germany after what Germany did to them .


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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #7280133
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Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
Because Axis war crimes were sanctioned by the government and ours werent.It's one thing to do it on a large scale with broad support for your actions,including earning medals being promoted,and another thing when it's being done on a personal level.War crimes happen every time there is one,not every government ok's and supports it.The U.S. did not knowingly support Russian atrocities during WW2,and there was no official document supporting it in the Soviet army.It depended on who was running the show in different units.Some looked the other way,some condemned it,and at least one threatened to shoot any soldier caught torturing germans.The Soviets admitted it was hard to control their troops when they entered Germany after what Germany did to them .


U.S.S.R turned prisoners of war into slaves, ordered the mass killing of POWs and conquered a vast territory. The list of Russian war crimes would at very least rival the Nazis. I would argue the U.S.S.R was atleast as bad as the Nazis but probably worse.

The U.K forced POWs to clear minefields which resulted in numerous deaths and injuries. The Navy sunk ALL vessels without warning during the invasion of Denmark, civilian and military alike. They used Torture to extract information and they handed over huge amounts of POWs to the Russians who immediately machine gunned them.

Major-General Raymond Hufft admitted after the war that if the Germans had won he would of been tried for war crimes as he ordered German POWs to be killed. U.S units were ordered NOT to take German prisoners on D-Day. Some reports claim U.S service members raped up to 190,000 German women.

There were few Japanese prisoners taken by any of the Allies, the ones who were taken were often killed during transport.

War is a dirty business and few go about it and keep their hands clean, the history books would read very differently if the war had been fought to a Stalemate or the Axis had won. Any official documents linking an allied country to war crimes could conveniently disappear and who would investigate them anyways? Who would hold them responsible if they had been found guilty?

Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7280140
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Your way off,your trying to make the case the allies sanctioned war crimes when they didnt.Such statements like the U.K. using Germans to clear mine fields is misleading to say the least,you make it sound like they forced them to March across the fields to detonate them.Ridiculous. Yeah,there are numerous books written by authors who come up with figures like 190,000 German women raped by U.S.servicemen.Their the same ones who never waste a opportunity to whine about us dropping the atomic bombs.Blah blah blah.This is starting to sound like an argument against a left wing rag.


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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7280144
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The soviets had one advantage over the nazis as a built in part of their system. Don't write it down or keep records.


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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7280150
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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7280158
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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7280214
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
Because Axis war crimes were sanctioned by the government and ours werent.It's one thing to do it on a large scale with broad support for your actions,including earning medals being promoted,and another thing when it's being done on a personal level.War crimes happen every time there is one,not every government ok's and supports it.The U.S. did not knowingly support Russian atrocities during WW2,and there was no official document supporting it in the Soviet army.It depended on who was running the show in different units.Some looked the other way,some condemned it,and at least one threatened to shoot any soldier caught torturing germans.The Soviets admitted it was hard to control their troops when they entered Germany after what Germany did to them .


U.S.S.R turned prisoners of war into slaves, ordered the mass killing of POWs and conquered a vast territory. The list of Russian war crimes would at very least rival the Nazis. I would argue the U.S.S.R was atleast as bad as the Nazis but probably worse.

The U.K forced POWs to clear minefields which resulted in numerous deaths and injuries. The Navy sunk ALL vessels without warning during the invasion of Denmark, civilian and military alike. They used Torture to extract information and they handed over huge amounts of POWs to the Russians who immediately machine gunned them.

Major-General Raymond Hufft admitted after the war that if the Germans had won he would of been tried for war crimes as he ordered German POWs to be killed. U.S units were ordered NOT to take German prisoners on D-Day. Some reports claim U.S service members raped up to 190,000 German women.

There were few Japanese prisoners taken by any of the Allies, the ones who were taken were often killed during transport.

War is a dirty business and few go about it and keep their hands clean, the history books would read very differently if the war had been fought to a Stalemate or the Axis had won. Any official documents linking an allied country to war crimes could conveniently disappear and who would investigate them anyways? Who would hold them responsible if they had been found guilty?

What invasion of Denmark? Germans did it in 6 hrs in April 1940 and finished as Danes gave up. Allied invasion of Denmark? Never heard of it.






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Donnersurvivor - See above last line posted by me. What invasion of Denmark are you talking about?

Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: crosspatch] #7280228
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Originally Posted by crosspatch
Donnersurvivor - See above last line posted by me. What invasion of Denmark are you talking about?


The German invasion of Denmark. Anything in the Skagerrak was open game.

Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7280229
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I think if the japs and germans never started world wars there would have not been any war crimes committed against them.....


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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7280234
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i think its disgusting to claim the united states tortured prisoners and did same things nazis and imperial japan did.

i really seriously doubt our troops were wantonly raping german women. i am certain the u.s. command did not run brothels with german women forced into sexual slavery.

i am certain prisoners were killed and also soldiers trying to surrender. that is not uncommon. hardly equates to starving and torturing those prisoners that were taken.


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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7280243
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by crosspatch
Donnersurvivor - See above last line posted by me. What invasion of Denmark are you talking about?


The German invasion of Denmark. Anything in the Skagerrak was open game.



Danes loss less than 100 sailors killed and wounded in the 6 hr. invasion of Denmark by Germany. Most of their boats were captured or scuttled. Look it up - Operation Safari.

Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7280246
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Most people don't realize that neither Alaska or Hawaii wete US States at the time of the attack, and the USA was isolationist at that time. They probably thought we would roll over easily and give up the territories.


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Re: why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? [Re: white marlin] #7280255
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Well it's obvious just who hates America here. Free to enjoy all her benefits while (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) and moaning about her. Nasty ingrate.


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