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Sovereign Citizens #7280679
06/06/21 11:03 AM
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Do you know any? I have been watching their antics on some you tube channels doing their nonsense. They use the same reasoning they know the laws better than the police spouting off some statute they found on you tube. The you tube stuff says they can drive without a drivers license and no registration plates on the vehicle. After they get pulled over for a motor code violation, they usually end up getting arrested since they refuse to give any information about themselves.. Many times the police have to smash their windows to get them out of the car. The funny ones are when the the sovereign citizen says the automobile is their home and the police need a search warrant to enter it. Sovereign citizens always say they are “traveling” and not driving and since they are not involved in commerce, they don’t need a drivers license or to register their “vessel” as they call it.

Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280681
06/06/21 11:04 AM
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Most of my friends have brains and common sense…so no, I don’t know any.

Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280692
06/06/21 11:15 AM
06/06/21 11:15 AM
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Don’t like the laws, change them.


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Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280693
06/06/21 11:15 AM
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Georgia
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While I agree with the basic premise of excessive government intrusion into the essential reserved enumerated and unenumerated rights of the states and citizens as explained in the tenth amendment of the US Constitution, I do not need to make up nonsense to make that claim nor do I think refusal to comply is the way to win said claims.


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Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280694
06/06/21 11:16 AM
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Just looking for all of the benefits without doing their part, I love when they quote maritime laws they cherry pick anything the can grasp on to. We have a few in other counties the Sheriff there deals with them often he also teaches at the academy on dealing with them.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280696
06/06/21 11:17 AM
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Youtube attracts a lot of dweebs who all think they are way more interesting than they really are. It is a fact


“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.”
Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers


Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280721
06/06/21 11:45 AM
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I've seen some where they win, some where they lose. I know lots of police don't know many laws, just the ones they deal with most. They are police officers, not attorneys.


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Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280725
06/06/21 11:51 AM
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I know one. Up here they call themselves "freemen". The one guy I know that was associated with them was never real bright. A bunch of them moved into some trapline cabins in Alberta a few years back. Took some doing to get them out.


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Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280740
06/06/21 12:27 PM
06/06/21 12:27 PM
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MT has a bunch that call themselves “freemen” years back WI had the Posse Comitatus

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Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280741
06/06/21 12:28 PM
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Heck, lot's of people are now using their playbook on all kinds of issues.

It's simple. Take a piece of information from here and then take another piece of information from there, mix up the information out of context until it fits your desired conclusion and bam--you have a crazy idea that some people will buy as credible. If you can put it on YouTube or the like, bonus points because that's where lazy people are told how to think.

Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280774
06/06/21 02:04 PM
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I'd much rather do business with a "sovereign individual" that the far opposite end of the spectrum socialist.

Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280779
06/06/21 02:08 PM
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I'm of the opinion that the more a person is poked, prodded and stolen from and told to like it the more likely they are to find some means of justifying telling the rest of the world to FO no matter how crazy it seems.

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Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Blaine County] #7280782
06/06/21 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Heck, lot's of people are now using their playbook on all kinds of issues.

It's simple. Take a piece of information from here and then take another piece of information from there, mix up the information out of context until it fits your desired conclusion and bam--you have a crazy idea that some people will buy as credible. If you can put it on YouTube or the like, bonus points because that's where lazy people are told how to think.


I thought the people that needed told how to think went to schools to learn that.

Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280792
06/06/21 02:24 PM
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Most of us have less freedom now than when we were born. A few little kids may not. I understand why people are saying enough.

In 1914 my great grandad sent my 11 year old grandad to the train station in Lamar CO. They were in the middle of wheat harvest and greatgranddad could not get away. Greatgrandad had bought a new car through the hardware store and it was coming in on the train. The guy that owned the store and my grandad figured out how to drive it from the owners manual and my 11 year old grandad drove it home and showed greatgrandad. He told me the original driver license they came out with cost a quarter. No test or age limit. Just a tax. He hated paying for permission to drive and passed that on to me. I think he would have had a stroke if he had been told he had to wear a seatbelt and could no longer smoke his pipe in the coffee shop or at the auctions he liked so much.

I have bent about as much as I am going to.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280803
06/06/21 02:50 PM
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I knew one. He ended up in prison for tax evasion. Claimed he didn't have to pay taxes...even though he worked for the govt that was funded by taxes. He stunk real bad, too.

Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280830
06/06/21 04:10 PM
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without permission or probable cause a police officer does need a warrant to search a vehicle, does that make me sovereign?
It helps to know statutes and codes and they might have them on youtube but most states have a big book of them.
I always say I am in route to go to or from hunting when pulled over that way my sidearm can be on my side.
Guess I'm one of the funny ones, much more free than most. I think your jealous.


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Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: countrygun] #7280840
06/06/21 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by countrygun
without permission or probable cause a police officer does need a warrant to search a vehicle, does that make me sovereign?
It helps to know statutes and codes and they might have them on youtube but most states have a big book of them.
I always say I am in route to go to or from hunting when pulled over that way my sidearm can be on my side.
Guess I'm one of the funny ones, much more free than most. I think your jealous.

Yes


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Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: countrygun] #7280842
06/06/21 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by countrygun
without permission or probable cause a police officer does need a warrant to search a vehicle, does that make me sovereign?
It helps to know statutes and codes and they might have them on youtube but most states have a big book of them.
I always say I am in route to go to or from hunting when pulled over that way my sidearm can be on my side.
Guess I'm one of the funny ones, much more free than most. I think your jealous.

You live in Texas and can’t carry a gun?
I live in Georgia and have never ever been questioned about a weapon, exposed or concealed. I see people carrying open in restaurants and stores all the time and never seen them questioned.

Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7280888
06/06/21 06:24 PM
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yes, Texas is a little behind. Just waiting on Abbott's signature. LOL


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Re: Sovereign Citizens [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7281290
06/07/21 12:06 PM
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We had a gang of those knuckleheads near us awhile back. They all parroted the usual "Freeman" malarky about drivers licenses, bank notes, and weoponry. They also, at least a few of them, registered their vehicles down in the caribbean someplace.....can't remember the reasoning behind that, but remember one of them saying the state "title" to the vehicle was not valid because it said "Certificate of Title" on it instead of "Title". They were convinced the state had every intention of using that as an excuse to gather in the peoples means of transportation, thusly making Sheeple out of the whole mess of us. These people were flakes and had goofy ideas about other things as well.....mostly involving game laws, etc.


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