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Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7282907
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She probably showed the judge how she earned it in his chambers.

Bottom line is she had to go to court. The cops got no censure for taking it. Thieves should do time. Porch pirates, shop lifters, gas drive offs. If somebody can do time in the county jail for peeing behind a dumpster in an alley, then thieves definitely need to do time. All of them.


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Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7282939
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Boco likes to stir things up for reasons known only to him.

Hard to believe anyone would support cops stealing money without evidence. Which is what it is. Theft. If there is no evidence to charge him with a crime what justification is there for taking his property?

I believe it is the anonymity of cash that big brother hates. When you involve a bank in your private affairs you are tracked. Internet companies, bank card companies, your bank, and the government, all know where your money is spent and for what. They know the source of that money if your deposit is a direct deposit or from a check. When cash is used your private affairs stay private.

Don't forget that if cops steal your money you have to go to court to get it back. Your taking them to court. The burden of proof is on you. Same thing the IRS does. The burden of proof has shifted from the accuser to the accused.

another loss of our civil rights


Of course it's the anonymity they hate. That's why governments and central banks are afraid of Bitcoin, well that and it's not fiat.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7282960
06/10/21 07:49 AM
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The problem with civil asset forfeiture is t necessarily the taking of the property,it's the guilty until proven innocent mindset. Typically the person who's property is being sized isn't even charged with a crime. Their stuff just gets taken because *maybe* it was involved in a crime. Now the burden of proff is on you to get your stuff back, not on the government to prove that your stuff was used in the commission of a crime. Sure sometimes that easy to prove, sometimes it's not. But the proff should be on the accuser, not the accused.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: Boco] #7282970
06/10/21 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
People dont walk around with $22,000 in a bag unless they are up to no good.There are exceptions and its easy to prove with bank records.
If its legit money he will have no problem proving where it came from.If its laundered money or money from crime Its good that he got caught.


I have friends that carry that much, and much more on a daily basis. They buy antique motorcycles, and nobody is taking a 30K check for one. Why would you think it's a good idea that you are considered guilty of something, until you can prove you are not?

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: stinkypete] #7282983
06/10/21 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
Vacuumed sealed money is laundered money. Plain and simple. Like Boco.said. If it is legal. No worries. If it is not. Well then you got what’s coming to you.


Why is that??? Your telling me my vacuum sealed cash in my firebox stashed in a hole at the farm is laundered and illegal???

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: loosegoose] #7282986
06/10/21 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
The problem with civil asset forfeiture is t necessarily the taking of the property,it's the guilty until proven innocent mindset. Typically the person who's property is being sized isn't even charged with a crime. Their stuff just gets taken because *maybe* it was involved in a crime. Now the burden of proff is on you to get your stuff back, not on the government to prove that your stuff was used in the commission of a crime. Sure sometimes that easy to prove, sometimes it's not. But the proff should be on the accuser, not the accused.

It's worse than that, you don't even have to be charged. Ever.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: Steven 49er] #7282990
06/10/21 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Boco likes to stir things up for reasons known only to him.

Hard to believe anyone would support cops stealing money without evidence. Which is what it is. Theft. If there is no evidence to charge him with a crime what justification is there for taking his property?

I believe it is the anonymity of cash that big brother hates. When you involve a bank in your private affairs you are tracked. Internet companies, bank card companies, your bank, and the government, all know where your money is spent and for what. They know the source of that money if your deposit is a direct deposit or from a check. When cash is used your private affairs stay private.

Don't forget that if cops steal your money you have to go to court to get it back. Your taking them to court. The burden of proof is on you. Same thing the IRS does. The burden of proof has shifted from the accuser to the accused.

another loss of our civil rights


Of course it's the anonymity they hate. That's why governments and central banks are afraid of Bitcoin, well that and it's not fiat.

Bitcoin isn't anonymous unless you blindly trade physical wallets.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7282998
06/10/21 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Looks like cash is still illegal also. Any chance a bill or two had been used as a coke or meth straw? by someone else? No charges filed but L.E. steals the money. looks to me like the thieves are the only ones there is enough evidence to convict.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/drug-sniffing-dog-kansas-city-173208173.html

I'll just say up front, I dont get any of my new from YahooNews . I dont doubt the cash got siezed though.


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Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7282999
06/10/21 08:43 AM
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There's a case in Utah where the state supreme court has ordered the guys cash returned and the PD still won't release it.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: SJA] #7283000
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Originally Posted by SJA
It's nothing for some farmers to go to an equipment auction and have 100K+ in CASH in their pockets or bib Carhartts. Cash is still king! :-)

Lol. Not really. I tried to buy a pickup couple of weeks ago outright. The dealer wouldn't sell me the truck without a trade-in. Weird times.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: Turtledale] #7283002
06/10/21 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Turtledale
I've collected cash for decades and put into my safe. I also have a few bank accounts and a credit union account. If someone asked me about the tens of thousands I was buying something with and it was cash from my safe I shouldn't have to prove it was mine. It's not I'll gotten gains but I would have no record or proof that it was mine. Just saying

This


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Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7283006
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‘One of my landowners knew a high stakes gambler that they took his cash while traveling, nothing but making a living playing poker. I always told the local Troopers it was theft to me just never seen the probable cause side of it.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: trapper les] #7283007
06/10/21 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Looks like cash is still illegal also. Any chance a bill or two had been used as a coke or meth straw? by someone else? No charges filed but L.E. steals the money. looks to me like the thieves are the only ones there is enough evidence to convict.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/drug-sniffing-dog-kansas-city-173208173.html

I'll just say up front, I dont get any of my new from YahooNews . I dont doubt the cash got siezed though.



I thought that to before but seen it happen more then once.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7283027
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
She probably showed the judge how she earned it in his chambers.

Bottom line is she had to go to court. The cops got no censure for taking it. Thieves should do time. Porch pirates, shop lifters, gas drive offs. If somebody can do time in the county jail for peeing behind a dumpster in an alley, then thieves definitely need to do time. All of them.


I agree, Nebraska state patrol should have at least had to pay interest and court costs. They might have had to if she would have sued for it.

I was just saying that the state had to prove it was drug money, she didn't have to prove it wasn't. For those who think you have to have a reason to carry cash legally.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7283081
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Every time Ive had 20k or 30k cash on me it would have destroyed my buisiness if some cop seized it until I could prove how i got it .
Im with Danny that craps wrong

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7283091
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Of course it's the anonymity they hate. That's why governments and central banks are afraid of Bitcoin, well that and it's not fiat. [/quote]
Bitcoin isn't anonymous unless you blindly trade physical wallets. [/quote]

The FBI just recovered most of the bitcoin that was paid to the colonial pipeline hackers from their wallet . That leads me to believe that crypto currency might not be as anonymous and untraceable as we have been lead to believe

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Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7283094
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Wrong in all aspects.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7283097
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cash grab

Until the law has to pay a penalty this will only get worse. Sounds like the old kangaroo courts that used to flourish in the 20's.


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Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7283098
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Them thieving cops would have a ball with all the Chinese people around here that are building Marijuana grow operations. They carry briefcases full of crisp clean banded cash just like everyone has always seen in the movies. One had his truck window smashed in the other day and supposedly lost upwards of $20,000 in cash. No biggie to them he made a phone call and had $100K more in 2 days. Our sheriff department and city cops would be cutting a fat hog if they started stealing from them. They have no right to seize someone's cash if there no proof it was part of a crime.

Re: Cash is still illegal [Re: Davisfur] #7283110
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Originally Posted by Davisfur
Them thieving cops would have a ball with all the Chinese people around here that are building Marijuana grow operations. They carry briefcases full of crisp clean banded cash just like everyone has always seen in the movies. One had his truck window smashed in the other day and supposedly lost upwards of $20,000 in cash. No biggie to them he made a phone call and had $100K more in 2 days. Our sheriff department and city cops would be cutting a fat hog if they started stealing from them. They have no right to seize someone's cash if there no proof it was part of a crime.

That's the side effect of legalizing a product that you're federally barred from providing banking services to as banks are more responsible to the the feds than the states

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