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Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: crosspatch] #7284406
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Originally Posted by crosspatch
Originally Posted by trapdog1
The needing a license to own or buy part bothers me, no matter which country you're in.


Trapdog1 a dilemma. How about mental cases including violent holy warriors. Should they be able to buy unrestricted? Other side is who decides who is a mental case and where does that slip into who is an enemy of a paranoid left or right state.

I am imagining your theory might be let everyone have guns and deal w the nut cases yourself if necessary. After all there is not a police man by every house and even if there were nobody will fight for you like yourself if your butt is on the line.

I will go with sanity checks/licence in order to buy firearms acknowledging in a govt. that, goes far enough left or right, paranoia can get anyone who disagrees on the banned list. Not a black and white question.

The question is related to abortion and capital punishment and not always black and white in IMO. Threads like this will come and go and the arguments have all been presented and no one has anything new to add.


I think the answer is: Freedom is sometimes a messy business.

Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: warrior] #7284410
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Freedom is an illusion the US has done an excellent job of selling its people. The proof is in the thinking that a gun makes one free. crazy

Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: rvsask] #7284414
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Freedom is an illusion the US has done an excellent job of selling its people. The proof is in the thinking that a gun makes one free. crazy

Our chains sit more lightly upon us than the constraints you wear. Paraphrasing one of our guys. Kinda.

Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: warrior] #7284418
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Posco, please elaborate on how so. I ask you to do so without name dropping “The Constitution”. That’s the biggest part of the propaganda machine that keeps Americans believing they are so free.

I’m open to honest and sincere dialogue. In what ways beside gun laws do our “chains sit more tightly than yours? I’m not chiming in to take jabs at individuals like the middle school bullies on here, but would honestly like to know what makes you feel so free. I think the US is a free country for the most part, like us, but less free than many places. The belief in freedom there is sold from the get go of your birth by the machine that wants you to think that. Having the bulk of the populace accept that idea as undeniable has been and is extremely profitable.

So honestly, in what ways are you so free?

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Originally Posted by rvsask
Posco, please elaborate on how so. I ask you to do so without name dropping “The Constitution”. That’s the biggest part of the propaganda machine that keeps Americans believing they are so free.

I’m open to honest and sincere dialogue. In what ways beside gun laws do our “chains sit more tightly than yours? I’m not chiming in to take jabs at individuals like the middle school bullies on here, but would honestly like to know what makes you feel so free. I think the US is a free country for the most part, like us, but less free than many places. The belief in freedom there is sold from the get go of your birth by the machine that wants you to think that. Having the bulk of the populace accept that idea as undeniable has been and is extremely profitable.

So honestly, in what ways are you so free?

I appreciate your spirit but I don't have time just now to discuss it. I'll get back to you when I get freed up. No pun intended.

Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: warrior] #7284428
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Has anyone bothered to watch the video where a Canadian gun rights attorney gives actual examples.

Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: rvsask] #7284498
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Freedom is an illusion the US has done an excellent job of selling its people. The proof is in the thinking that a gun makes one free. crazy


??
Don't recall saying a gun makes you free.

Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: warrior] #7284519
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Trapdog, sorry for not being more clear. I was not saying you said that I was just saying something about freedom. In regards to saying a gun says you’re free, it was not you, but that very sentiment is stated exactly in this thread, first post of page 2.

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Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: warrior] #7284610
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Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: white marlin] #7284611
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by woodtick
you are right, Why would I ever want an AK, AR, whatever


I want one solely BECAUSE it torques them off and they don't want me to have one!



One? Get two or three

Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: white marlin] #7284622
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by Boco
I have carried guns in and out of gunstores,I dont see why in the world anyone would want to carry a gun to go get groceries,thats retarded,maybe you want to shoot a watermelon? Here a gun is nothing more than a tool.


here, it is Freedom.


In some countries freedom would be taking the watermelon for free without having a gun in the pocket.


Cold as ice!
Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: rvsask] #7284625
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Trapdog, sorry for not being more clear. I was not saying you said that I was just saying something about freedom. In regards to saying a gun says you’re free, it was not you, but that very sentiment is stated exactly in this thread, first post of page 2.


Understood!
I think the thing we all want and should have is the Freedom to own firearms without undue government interference.

Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: warrior] #7284634
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"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."


"necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt the Younger
Re: Canadian gun laws, y'all guys are screwed. [Re: warrior] #7284639
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nice ryan. i am jealous. those old guns have made a lot of meat


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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I think warrior summed it up nicely above. Basically, what most non-Americans fail to understand is that the right to keep and bear arms is set forth and specifically enshrined within their constitution. Unlike any other country I can think of it is guaranteed as a right and not considered a privilege. What many people from the colonies fail to understand is that these rights were set forth specifically because the English monarchy (and this is verifiable fact) where such horrible, brazen dictators. SO "The Crown" so important to Canada's founding were very much the villain in the history of the USA and by their behavior facilitated the need for armed citizenry.
Their constitution is as valid as anyone else's regardless of how it differs.
I fail to see how so many here are off put by their gun laws. I travel extensively there and feel just as safe as I do at home.


Just happy to be here.
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Originally Posted by slydogx
I think warrior summed it up nicely above. Basically, what most non-Americans fail to understand is that the right to keep and bear arms is set forth and specifically enshrined within their constitution. Unlike any other country I can think of it is guaranteed as a right and not considered a privilege. What many people from the colonies fail to understand is that these rights were set forth specifically because the English monarchy (and this is verifiable fact) where such horrible, brazen dictators. SO "The Crown" so important to Canada's founding were very much the villain in the history of the USA and by their behavior facilitated the need for armed citizenry.
Their constitution is as valid as anyone else's regardless of how it differs.
I fail to see how so many here are off put by their gun laws. I travel extensively there and feel just as safe as I do at home.


Summed it up well. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by rvsask
Freedom is an illusion the US has done an excellent job of selling its people. The proof is in the thinking that a gun makes one free. crazy


This here is the reality.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by rvsask
Freedom is an illusion the US has done an excellent job of selling its people. The proof is in the thinking that a gun makes one free. crazy


This here is the reality.


FAIL!

if your theory were indeed valid, .gov would not be trying to take/regulate guns away; they would be encouraging citizens to "arm up" to perpetuate their illusion.


"necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." William Pitt the Younger
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Owning a firearm wont make you more free. I have less freedom today than what i was born with and that FACT really bothers me.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Owning a firearm wont make you more free. I have less freedom today than what i was born with and that FACT really bothers me.



While partially true yes you have less freedom. How did all those before you have even more freedom? Do you think you would keep your dwindling freedom with out guns?

They caught for it against all odds and won! Few are willing to give up the easy life they live and fight for it today. If an armed population was not holding the complete loss of freedom what are they putting so much effort into incremental disarmament.

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