A Question for Coyote Trappers
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As some of you know I took the 4-coils of my duke 650s. I stuck my hand in the trap today to feel to power without the 4-coil. The jaws landed on my wrist and I was able to pull my hand through down to my fingers, once it got to my fingers it locked up quite a bit more. This raises some doubt in my mind if the 650 without the 4-coil will hold coyotes or not. Experienced coyote trappers, what are your thoughts? Should I throw the 4-coils back on or do you think they will be fine? Thanks in advance.
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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I’ve had one side spring pop off the frame and still held a yote, why would you want to remove a spring I must of missed that?
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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I’ve had one side spring pop off the frame and still held a yote, why would you want to remove a spring I must of missed that? I removed the 4-coil springs. Not the main springs. Just because I have quite a few fox around here, and thought maybe it might be a little too much power for them. I have not caught a fox with one yet though so it's only assumptions. Has anyone here caught fox with the 650s?
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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I catch a lot in MJs nothing to get worked up about really the offset helps often, a weaker trap could cause you more issues then you want to deal with.
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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Remember, your wrist is bigger than a coyotes. The trap will "lock up" better on a smaller wrist.
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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True guys very true. Thanks for the input. I'm gonna stop worrying about it and run them two coiled. I'm sure it'll be fine!
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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Are they offsets or reg jaws? The size of the trap won't be overly kind to a fox, and the main thing that comes into play is how long he (the fox) is in the trap. Also length of chain and swivels. I've caught lots of fox in big traps, and can't say that I have ever lost one, but sometimes when you have snow and ice or mud, it is not pleasing to see. Personally, I'd leave them four coiled, and in the areas where the fox frequent, set smaller traps if you want to catch them. They are off-set.
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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With the amount of mass the Duke 650 jaws have, you'll slow them down removing 2 coils. Lock up is more about lever to jaw geometry than spring force. Spring force does significantly influence closure acceleration.
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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With the amount of mass the Duke 650 jaws have, you'll slow them down removing 2 coils. Lock up is more about lever to jaw geometry than spring force. Spring force does significantly influence closure acceleration. They seem to still be pretty snappy!
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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Remember where he’s from folks.
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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Really appreciating your guys' input! Keep it coming!
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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The MB 650 is a paw catchin machine that does me a great job on the cats too. I have no idea how similar or dif the Duke might be but once I moved to fox country I run a lot more 5550s and KBs.
I snagged a few 450s too and if I was specifically fox trapping I bet I'd never hesitate to bed them knowing they do a fine job on a fox paw but still enough trap for a dumb coyote. To be honest, I trust the designers much more than you do and don't monkey around as much as you are.
If the top trap designers among us built traps to hold hands they wouldn't be as good on the paw as they are now
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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The MB 650 is a paw catchin machine that does me a great job on the cats too. I have no idea how similar or dif the Duke might be but once I moved to fox country I run a lot more 5550s and KBs.
I snagged a few 450s too and if I was specifically fox trapping I bet I'd never hesitate to bed them knowing they do a fine job on a fox paw but still enough trap for a dumb coyote. To be honest, I trust the designers much more than you do and don't monkey around as much as you are.
If the top trap designers among us built traps to hold hands they wouldn't be as good on the paw as they are now So you reckon' I should just throw the 4 coils back on?
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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Because you have the Duke Ima say maybe. If you had the MB product with the cast jaw like mine or big lams I'd say throw them in and let em RIP thru any crust you let build up on em. They will handle it
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Re: A Question for Coyote Trappers
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I mean I can always adjust the pan tension on them to something higher to avoid foxed too. Whats a good pan tension to avoid fox but will still catch yotes?
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