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Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: USMC47 🦫] #7287114
06/15/21 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by USMC47 🦫
I lost a Jake and two rebar stakes to a badger recently. I’ll find that sucker eventually.

shocked


“I don't know, Chief, if he's very smart or very dumb.”
Capt. Quint
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: JesseA] #7287117
06/15/21 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JesseA
I've run into that with super stakes, but I had a puller made at a local welding shop by a fellow trapper that hooks to the chain and can usually have them out of anywhere, once in a while though I'll get one thought enough that I'll snap the chain trying to pull it


Yep, I’ve lost a few anchors due to the s-hook opening so I started welding them. I’ve been questioning that decision because if I don’t weld them, I only loose the super stake. Danged if you do, danged if you don’t…


“I don't know, Chief, if he's very smart or very dumb.”
Capt. Quint
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287224
06/15/21 08:18 PM
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I weld everything on all mine, it's rare that I snap a chain pulling, usually it just bring up a basketball (or bigger) sized chunk of ground with it. I've given up very few anchor by welding every connection, plus helps to deter johnny sneakum

Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287268
06/15/21 09:12 PM
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Looks good, I use the same setup.
Nothing better than a sterling swivel at base of trap.


Let me sugar coat this
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287353
06/15/21 10:59 PM
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Crossed stake or bullet stakes for me, and I use machine chain on all my traps. Not a fan of twin loop. Might be strong enough but binds and kinks when twisted and tangled.
I keep my chains short and use lots of swivels. Jacked stakes never an issue with crossed stakes or bullet stakes.
I am all about minimizing lunges and momentum. Long chain = longer distance to build up speed before hitting end of chain, need stout traps but the way coyotes throw their bodies around trying to escape you get full on shocks and full momentum on long chains. Test of equipment for sure.
Short chains, no chance to build up momentum or speed. Small catch circles, spins circles only no lunges, and I dont lose hardly any animals. Use short chains and lots of swivels. That's what I do anyway.
All of my predator traps are set up same way. Bridgers, B&Ls, Vics, coils, longs, montys, all of them. Even a few dukes.

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Last edited by jabNE; 06/16/21 08:43 PM.

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Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287463
06/16/21 06:38 AM
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If I didn't weld my s hooks I would seldom ever retrieve a super stake here. As is I figure on breaking one in ten welded s hooks.

Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: jabNE] #7287620
06/16/21 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jabNE

…I am all about minimizing lunges and momentum...
Short chains, no chance to build up momentum or speed…


Same thought that made me wonder if mine were too long. I think that if my chain were 4-6 inches longer there should probably be a shock spring in there. A coyote might bottom it out but maybe the spring will have slowed him down some before he hit the end.


“I don't know, Chief, if he's very smart or very dumb.”
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Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287625
06/16/21 11:09 AM
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Good trap, good hold you aren't loosing critters due to long chains. After that first lunge or two. They aren't doing it again. Short chain risks stake jacking and animals fighting trap much longer.

Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287638
06/16/21 11:34 AM
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I used to be a short chain guy till I tried 18-24. No shock springs , no losses , more freedom on the remake. Seems they don't fight it as hard, sometimes theres not even a full blown circle. Burn circle is a lot more level, not near as much mounding. Short chains they never stop fighting. I learned that from the coyotes...and the guys out west with extended trap checks.


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Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287691
06/16/21 01:54 PM
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This is how I set up my #550's, I use super stakes with them.
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Let's go Brandon!
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287720
06/16/21 03:02 PM
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trappergbus,
Do you consider anything under 18 inches a short chain? A 24 inch chain wouldn’t let a coyote build much steam before hitting the end.

rendezvous
Is that about 18 inches total length?

Lots of good ways to set these traps up and lots to think about.


“I don't know, Chief, if he's very smart or very dumb.”
Capt. Quint
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7287840
06/16/21 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by We-Sa

rendezvous
Is that about 18 inches total length?




Yes, total length is 18". It works well for me.


Let's go Brandon!
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7290893
06/21/21 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by We-Sa
trappergbus,
Do you consider anything under 18 inches a short chain? A 24 inch chain wouldn’t let a coyote build much steam before hitting the end.

rendezvous
Is that about 18 inches total length?

Lots of good ways to set these traps up and lots to think about.

Under 12 would be short to me. Seems the yotes stop fighting at 18, 24 they just seem to walk around the circle. I know it seems off but in actual practice its different than what has been the accepted norm. Let the coyotes decide! Most the guys out west with extended checks use long chains, there's a good reason for that... As an added benefit you'll hold more coon too.


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Pay homage to all you harvest..
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7290899
06/21/21 10:57 AM
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Consider a coyote front foot catch and what I call “jacking”. When in doubt longer is better.

Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7291177
06/21/21 08:07 PM
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Thanks trappergbus.

I took a JC Conner shock spring and added it after the mid-chain swivel similar to rendevous' pic. Total length came to just under 24 inches with four links of 2/0 twin loop chain. I think the shock spring will lessen the stress on both the twin loop chain and the j-hooks.

I'm not sure how I'll like this setup, I can see an issue getting the shock spring bedded in the rocky ground I trap in. I may go ahead and rig up 3 or 4 more just to give them a fair try.


“I don't know, Chief, if he's very smart or very dumb.”
Capt. Quint
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7291547
06/22/21 10:01 AM
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Remember one thing with coyotes, if they detect a weakness when they attack the chain setup with their mouth they will exploit it till it fails. If it was me I'd replace the twin loop with machine chain. Much stronger and easier to work with when bedding. I've never felt the need for shock springs after over 1,000 coyotes..


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Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: trappergbus] #7291707
06/22/21 02:27 PM
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They aint breaking my stuff ! LoL # 7 chain and 5/16 quick length

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Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7291805
06/22/21 06:00 PM
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I keep waffling over my decision to keep the twin loop. The installation of the shock springs is a direct result of comments I’ve heard & read regarding twin loop and welding vs. not welding j-hooks and s-hooks. I feel pretty good with that trap chain but as I mentioned I think bedding will be a problem.

I have more than enough #2 welded machine chain to replace the twin loop with. Thankfully I’ve got a little time before I start using these traps, lol.

One thing I think would be helpful is some pics of twin loop chain that has or is very near failure. I’ll be surprised if anyone posts any good pics, NOT because it hasn’t happened, but because I think folks quit using twin loop before it became so convenient to take pictures.


“I don't know, Chief, if he's very smart or very dumb.”
Capt. Quint
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7291806
06/22/21 06:02 PM
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[Linked Image]


The top trap is unmodified, the middle trap is the same as I showed in my opening post and then the shock spring added.


“I don't know, Chief, if he's very smart or very dumb.”
Capt. Quint
Re: Trap Chain Setup [Re: We-Sa] #7291838
06/22/21 07:19 PM
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Looks like the chain of my swing set! LoL!

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