Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Trapper123456]
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03/15/18 06:18 PM
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jbyrd, why would anyone have reason to take discriminatory action against someone from Kentucky, because they're from Kentucky? Don't make accusations against someone, unless you have more than your hurt feelings as an offering of proof. That's what I'm trying to say.
I trap for fun. I skin 'em for the money! Grinners For Life-Lifetime Member, MO Chapter, Den #1 ~You Grin, You're In~
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: cfowler]
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03/15/18 07:22 PM
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jbyrd, why would anyone have reason to take discriminatory action against someone from Kentucky, because they're from Kentucky? Don't make accusations against someone, unless you have more than your hurt feelings as an offering of proof. That's what I'm trying to say. It took several days before anyone from the WVTA ever answered or commented to this thread.I don't think that would have happened if not for me PERSONALLY e-mail the association like I told guys we needed to do. Plus It seemed that his was the only fur that was "labeled". No my feelings aren't hurt . Why would they be? Was he the ONLY guy from Ky to sell there . If so then he was singled out!! If not he was still singled out . They explained why his was labeled and tried to explain why he got shafted. SO let us recap. HIS fur was only one on their printed ticket labeled Kentucky. HIS fur was practically given away WE all agree. His point was to warn OTHER KY trappers to stay away based on what happened to the ONLY FUR LABELED KENTUCKY... At the time he posted this the only reason he could think that it was basically stolen was because of it being from KY. 12345 if I have read this wrong please feel free to correct me...... I PROMISE it won't hurt my feeling s LOL LOL
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Hal]
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03/15/18 07:25 PM
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I would like to hear an answer to wissmiss question,which was,how much other green fur sold at this sale and what were the results\prices\avg. Was all other green fur discounted to near worthless,or only some.Or was there no intrest in green fur and it was all let go to the first offer just to move it? Pay attention. Yes to the part and only one labeled Kentucky
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: jbyrd63]
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03/15/18 07:57 PM
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jbyrd, why would anyone have reason to take discriminatory action against someone from Kentucky, because they're from Kentucky? Don't make accusations against someone, unless you have more than your hurt feelings as an offering of proof. That's what I'm trying to say. It took several days before anyone from the WVTA ever answered or commented to this thread.I don't think that would have happened if not for me PERSONALLY e-mail the association like I told guys we needed to do. Plus It seemed that his was the only fur that was "labeled". No my feelings aren't hurt . Why would they be? Was he the ONLY guy from Ky to sell there . If so then he was singled out!! If not he was still singled out . They explained why his was labeled and tried to explain why he got shafted. SO let us recap. HIS fur was only one on their printed ticket labeled Kentucky. HIS fur was practically given away WE all agree. His point was to warn OTHER KY trappers to stay away based on what happened to the ONLY FUR LABELED KENTUCKY... At the time he posted this the only reason he could think that it was basically stolen was because of it being from KY. 12345 if I have read this wrong please feel free to correct me...... I PROMISE it won't hurt my feeling s LOL LOL It took me 5 hours to respond. Not days. Sorry my job got in the way. I will make you a deal. You buy a WV fur buyers license and come to our auction next year and buy at least 1 lot of fur and I will reimburse you for the price of the license.
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Trapper123456]
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03/15/18 10:36 PM
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Jt my bad. But answer me this and I'm done with this. Why was his the only fur labeled Ky ? There may be a very good reason. You yourself said there was other sellers from ky and ohio. You claim it is for the cats only . BUT IT WAS WRITTEN ALL KY. PLUS if You guys keep the same policies I MIGHT DO IT sit back and get a GREAT deal on some Ky fur.... Does the green fur always sell last . I wouldn't want to waste money on rooms if I can slide in at the last of the last day and get some great deals..............
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Jan-WV]
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03/15/18 11:02 PM
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Hopefully, I can shed a little bit of light on part of this situation. I am one of the 3 WVTA graders, and I am the one who consigned all the green fur, including Lot 308, on Sunday morning. One of the first things I said was that I wished this trapper's green fur had been put up. The trapper replied he had no place to dry his fur this year. Told the trapper I wished he gotten in touch with Randy Cantrell, as he could have probably helped. (Randy and others from KY have sold their finished fur through our auctions in the past years). It is my writing on the consignment sheet, I wrote 'Kentucky' because I was reminding myself to be sure to type KY: on the buyer's sheet. (I also do the sale printout and calculations that go with each seller's check). The reason I wrote 'Kentucky' was because the bobcats had Kentucky CITES seals. (Our DNR is present to seal every cat, and it was also noted for their benefit as well). With our finished fur, cats sealed in a state other than WV is always placed in separate lots. As JT mentioned, we had finished cats from PA in the sale this year. In year's past, we've had plenty of KY cats sold through the finished fur. Our finished fur is sold in graded lots. We graded this year from 8am to about 8pm both Friday and Saturday. Each consignor may withdraw his fur if he feels he has received a grade he is not happy with. Once the fur is hung into the lot, it goes to the highest bidder. We had 17 buyers at the March sale. (For those who don't understand our auction, that means your XXXL 1 & 2 coon are put into a lot with everyone else's XXXL 1 & 2 coon and the buyer purchases the entire lot). With green fur (which is consigned on Sunday morning prior to the auction), the fur is not graded, and simply listed as a count of each item. We also note on the sheet if the item is on the carcass as well. Unfortunately, there were only a couple of buyers present who were interested in the green fur, and there was a huge amount of it this year. (We always encourage everyone to put up their fur to receive the best possible prices). I admit, I was surprised at the low price this lot went for, because I thought the cats alone would sell the lot (no, I don't remember how big the cats were, as I consigned 448 pieces of fur that morning). Two of our graders also have their fur buyer's license, but we are prohibited from purchasing fur through the WVTA auction. Regarding the beaver castor -- our grades are Semi-Dry, Dry, Wet, and Castor with Oil Sacs. We don't normally get enough castor at our sale to begin grading them into #1, #2, etc. The WVTA currently does not have a 'no sale' option with the green fur. In fact, very few people who consign green fur attend the auction. I didn't reply to this post earlier because I just heard about it this morning. And no, I don't believe the fact that the cats were sealed in Kentucky had anything to do with the price. In past years, the finished Kentucky cats have always sold as well as cats sealed in other states. I am sorry that this buyer received so little for his green fur, but I'm more sorry that he is urging everyone not to consign fur through our auctions because of the price he received for green fur. Historically speaking, the WVTA auctions have shown higher prices per volume that many states (finished fur). And regarding the averages posted on our website -- yes, I did that as well. I calculate only the finished fur and the prices they brought to provide the average/high/low prices. Green fur is not calculated because we have no way of knowing an average when all that seller's fur is sold as one lot. jbyrd, here is the explanation given for the KY notation on the sales sheet. A very reasonable explanation. It was on page 7 of this thread. Since this explanation had been given, I couldn't understand why anyone would continue the "they did him wrong cause he's from Kentucky". Perhaps you didn't see this. Also, it wasn't your feelings I was referring to. The OP's feelings and disappointments started the thread. I was trying to point out the accusations he made, and seemed to want to continue, were based on these emotions, not facts. I believe those involved with the auction have been pretty detailed in their explanations. They're getting dumped on because some trapper ain't happy with what he sold his fur for.
I trap for fun. I skin 'em for the money! Grinners For Life-Lifetime Member, MO Chapter, Den #1 ~You Grin, You're In~
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Trapper123456]
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03/16/18 12:56 AM
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Are your local fur auctioneers, licensed? I can provide that fair and legal service... Wernt a shot, but truth... it's my business, perhaps, me and my crew could make current fur sales more fair?
I asked once, who was the legal auctioneer...nothing.
I can change that, you in charge of sales, good, bad or in different, look me up, it's my business. I auction everything, fur don't scare me.
God created all men, but Sammuel Colt made all men equal
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: harleydparts]
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03/16/18 08:01 AM
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I should have explained why I posted this link, I wasn't insinuating this was the buyer, I was posting it to show what fur buyers in the area are willing to pay for green fur. Coyotes, coon & beaver - zero value! Not wanted. 3 cats -(assuming large size) $69, 3 average muskrats- $6. Total - $75. Now if it was me & I had to take and finish all the fur in that lot, most of which I didn't want and didn't feel it was worth my time to finish I would have throw out a $25 bid and hoped someone else bid $30!
Not as bad as I could be, not as good as I should be.
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: jbyrd63]
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03/16/18 08:46 AM
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I think you are missing the point. The word Kentucky written across the lotting ticket and then actually printed on the PRINTED sheet !! Made him and LOTS of other people think it was discrimination against Ky trappers. His original post was to warn Ky people to stay away. Can you blame him. I tried to explain earlier that KY was written on the sheet because the bobcats were sealed in Kentucky. We always make note of the state in which bobcats were sealed. The consignor who had Pennsylvania bobcats had PA written across his sheet as well. Prior to the auction, I explain to the auctioneer about all the abbreviations and he makes written notes on his auction sheet so everyone knows what's being sold.
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Jan-WV]
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03/16/18 09:06 AM
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I think you are missing the point. The word Kentucky written across the lotting ticket and then actually printed on the PRINTED sheet !! Made him and LOTS of other people think it was discrimination against Ky trappers. His original post was to warn Ky people to stay away. Can you blame him. I tried to explain earlier that KY was written on the sheet because the bobcats were sealed in Kentucky. We always make note of the state in which bobcats were sealed. The consignor who had Pennsylvania bobcats had PA written across his sheet as well. Prior to the auction, I explain to the auctioneer about all the abbreviations and he makes written notes on his auction sheet so everyone knows what's being sold. Yes we heard that .. But then why wasn't PA on the printed sheet .THAT was the last clue in drawing the conclusion that he was singled out. THATS all we are saying...............
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Trapper123456]
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03/16/18 10:30 AM
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Haha! Good one Hal, thank you for the cheese. The baby pic? Wow! Did you come up with that or did Miz help you out? That was also a dandy. You sure have a way with trying to come up with some entertaining post. No doubt it gives many folks enjoyment. If you could have put some of that witty humor in your bland dvd's maybe they would have been more popular. I frequent another website and folks can't even sell them at a super cheap price. Some of your posts are pretty funny though. How is your website doing? Is it still a slow as a turtle crossing the four lane? Whines the man trying to do taxidermy in his bathroom. I am doing skull mounts at my home. I also tan hides inside my home. When I say in my home I mean in the kitchen and bathroom. I hope at least to rise above the level of a s***house taxidermist. Struck a nerve didn't I? Crybaby.
La pervenche est une tr�s belle couleur!!
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Jan-WV]
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03/16/18 10:32 AM
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PA was printed on the sheet. Thanks for posting this . The pic posted earlier only showed Ky on the sheet. Based on your responses and professional manner that you have handled this subject. I would like to apologize to YOU personally. I am quick to criticize people but I also try to give kudos where they are needed. This was a case of a perfect storm in a crappy outcome. At first glance it would seem why it happened but you have done a remarkable job in shining the light from your point of view. Thanks and I truly offer my apology JEFF BYRD
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Trapper123456]
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03/16/18 10:37 AM
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jbyrd THANK YOU for being a stand-up fella! Set a GREAT example there!
I trap for fun. I skin 'em for the money! Grinners For Life-Lifetime Member, MO Chapter, Den #1 ~You Grin, You're In~
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Trapper123456]
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10/10/20 11:14 AM
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Hi I’m Vice President of fur takers here in ky. I organize our etown sale. I’m trying to figure out How to post pics on here of our numbers. That is crazy the prices you got.
traveling man square deals always
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Re: Attention Ky trappers!!!
[Re: Hal]
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Haha! Good one Hal, thank you for the cheese. The baby pic? Wow! Did you come up with that or did Miz help you out? That was also a dandy. You sure have a way with trying to come up with some entertaining post. No doubt it gives many folks enjoyment. If you could have put some of that witty humor in your bland dvd's maybe they would have been more popular. I frequent another website and folks can't even sell them at a super cheap price. Some of your posts are pretty funny though. How is your website doing? Is it still a slow as a turtle crossing the four lane? Whines the man trying to do taxidermy in his bathroom. I am doing skull mounts at my home. I also tan hides inside my home. When I say in my home I mean in the kitchen and bathroom. I hope at least to rise above the level of a s***house taxidermist. Struck a nerve didn't I? Crybaby. Coming across an old post- this is just a shame. I remember from my childhood reading articles written by this man. Making personal attacks against someone who said nothing foul against him? Well done
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