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Question for reloaders #7296347
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I was recently gifted a 6.5 Creedmore with one box of rounds. As we all know its impossible to find ammo, so I am considering reloading, as I am set up to reload. My reloading manual doesn't address the 6.5, so I searched the net for info. I found that H4350 is one of the powders that can be used. I do not have H4350, but I have IMR4350, and have read on multiple forums that they are very close to the same. I would like to hear the opinions of the experienced reloaders on here as to using IMR 4350 in place of H4350.

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I dont think there is 10 cents difference in the two performance wise. They dont burn exactly the same. Your maximum charge will be a little different.


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Thanks Danny, that is what I gathered from other sources but it never hurts to use all sources available.

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Thanks Danny, that is what I gathered from other sources but it never hurts to use all sources available. I have plenty of .243 cases I can trim and resize, just need dies and lead.

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It should do well with it. like danny said, it will have a different burn rate. I have used imr 3031 and imr 4064 for my 6.5. They all shot tight groups.

Re: Question for reloaders [Re: Owen156] #7296365
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Just go to the Hodgden powders web site. If they don't have the info you need try the Nosler site. They both have a lot of SAFE information for reloaders to use.

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Originally Posted by trapperjim1
Just go to the Hodgden powders web site. If they don't have the info you need try the Nosler site. They both have a lot of SAFE information for reloaders to use.


This^^^ sound advise. And since Hodgen now owns the IMR brand the site will
have data for both.


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Re: Question for reloaders [Re: Owen156] #7296391
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IMR 4350 is slightly faster than H4350, my creed loads are loaded with IMR 4831, but I load heavier bullets (140's)

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If you're gonna mix data, make sure to back WAAAAY off the upper end loads and sneek up to where you want to be so you can keep an eye on high pressure markers.


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Re: Question for reloaders [Re: Owen156] #7296401
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Why would anyone "mix data"?


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https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/reloading-data-center


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BULLET WEIGHT
140 GR. HDY A-MAX
Starting Load Maximum Loads
Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
Hodgdon H4350 BUY NOW 0.264" 2.820" 36.0 2,464 49,200 PSI 40.0C 2,660 59,200 PSI
IMR IMR 4350 BUY NOW 0.264" 2.820" 37.0 2,460 47,500 PSI 41.0C 2,607 59,800 PSI


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Another pertinent question? Have you ever done any fire forming? Cartridge case substitution.
Pay close attention to trim to length as the 243 is longer by a little over a 1/10 of an inch


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If you are shooting 140 grain bullets, Hodgon lists IMR 4350 with a compressed charge of 41 grains as the max load and 37 as starting load.

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Re: Question for reloaders [Re: danny clifton] #7296420
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Why would anyone "mix data"?


Danny in the original post the OP stated that he had plenty of .243 brass to make cases for the 6.5cm.
That is mixing data.


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there is a slight difference and Hodgdon has data for both as they make both

https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/reloading-data-center


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Originally Posted by Owen156
I was recently gifted a 6.5 Creedmore with one box of rounds. As we all know its impossible to find ammo, so I am considering reloading, as I am set up to reload. My reloading manual doesn't address the 6.5, so I searched the net for info. I found that H4350 is one of the powders that can be used. I do not have H4350, but I have IMR4350, and have read on multiple forums that they are very close to the same. I would like to hear the opinions of the experienced reloaders on here as to using IMR 4350 in place of H4350.






I just stopped in a gun shop in kearney ne last week.

They had a pallet of 6.5 cm , and another of 7mm rem mag.



Give them a call and see if they will ship you some.



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I use both in my CM's and there is very little difference in accuracy-but there is a little.Those are the only two powders (4350) that have given me the accuracy I am looking for with both of my CM's.I have also used AA 4350 and that was not as good as the other two. Best bullets have been 140's.

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