I've been doing some reading in particular about Jesus and His miracles. While I was searching for the one miracle where Jesus was working for a famed grape juice company making grape juice, I ran into some articles that think Josephus got a lot wrong about the Essene's and some of the scrolls and the later Greek writings of the era. One particular flaw they say was about the miracle where Jesus fed the multitude with a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish. They are saying it was bread and few clusters of grapes. They reason the Romans were meat eaters and to justify their horrendous act they changed the grapes to fish.
I love it when a reporter 2000 years from the scene knows more than one closer to the scene. PETA and their cronies are driving head on with their anti meat campaign and intend to chop the tree out by the roots regardless how fishy it smells.

Jesus worked for a grape juice company?

Mary was his supervisor, and it was a short term job with the caterers.

I'm sure the wheat for the Bread was organic

It actually appears that Jesus went with his uncle, Joseph of Arimathea, to Joseph's tin mines in Cornwall, from the years after he turned water into wine, until he started preaching. Their family had owned the mines for 6 or 7 generations at that point. After the crucifiction the family fled to Cornwall and Wales permanently.

Keith

And that historical fact comes from where?

There's at least 7 different period documents. Just search "Jesus in Cornwall".

Family Search and the other major genealogy sites all show Joseph of Arimathea's and Jesus's family as having some members settled in Cornwall for 6 or 7 generations, by Jesus's death too.

Keith

If I'm not mistaken that Joseph is the same one that furnished the tomb for the body of Jesus to be placed in. Which would make sense, since he would have been Mary's uncle and would have been likely to be able to have received the body much like the tradition still carries on today. Keep in mind that Joseph would have been the great uncle of Jesus. The Joseph that was the step-father of Jesus was also the uncle of Jesus. As, since Mary had no brother her father adopted the Joseph she married. Making him her brother also and the uncle of Jesus.

Here is one of many articles: https://www.thinkoutsidethebeast.com/joseph-of-arimathea-and-the-missing-years-of-christ/

Joseph of Arimathea was the younger brother of Mary's father Joachim. He was also the father of Jesus's wife Mary Magdalene. They were very wealthy due to money from their tin mines in Cornwall and trade in raw furs. Christians mostly have a very, very hard time accepting these very well documented facts and will likely be along to dispute them, without looking at any of the massive amount of evidence proving them.

The divine right of kings was based on their being descendants of Jesus until the Catholic churches popes and cardinals, who wanted power, started persecuting people for not following them instead.

Keith

You believe this?

Jesus' wife????

Yes, I believe Jesus was a real human man.

The main point of all organized religions is to control people. They have all been created and corrupted by people. I think there are truths in all organized religions and some good comes from them, but much wrong too. I believe there is a God and that we were created in their image.

Organized religions work by indoctrinating their members at an early age. They teach their members to ignore very obvious fallacies by demanding they have faith. They put immense social pressure on their members to believe as they demand or to at least to not openly disagree.

Keith

Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, who St. Peter was extremely jealous of, as clearly documented in the gospels and other writings of the time. When the Catholic popes took power, they had to wrest that power from Jesus's descendants. Peter started that wrongful tradition and Pope Gregory the First took it to a new level.

Keith

All speculation . No meat on the bone facts at all. Might as well say he lived with the africans and rode a white elephant because someone a long time ago said so. I am sure the story serves some end game for some reason.

All gnostic heresy discussed debated and decredited early on.

And cults operate on secret knowledge.

I'm not the one to argue the Bible but consider what a formidable trip it would have been from Palestine to England in those times.

I haven't untangled the the Da Vinci Code in a long time. I believe Jesus died for the whole world and not just His fleshly blood relatives, if that is where we are headed.
With that said, what got me started on this thread was searching for more info on wine for local reasons and stumbled into the thing about the bread and grapes and that fish was not allowed which seemed to coincide with the mink covid thread.
I am about to be tossed from my own church for not giving in that the Romans will produce the antichrist. We just have had a new flood of alcoholics come in and just their knowing that I think Jesus made real wine and not grape juice is upsetting the apple cart. I believe The Son of Perdition will come from the Tribe of Dan of which many are now in the Celtic region. I don't believe the Jews would follow someone who is not Jew.
Carry on !

Considering the roman conquest of Britain didn't get underway until ten years after the crucifixion I tend to doubt anyone was operated an industrial tin mine in the far west of the island.

What text are you referring to?