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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Bruiser1] #7301846
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Originally Posted by Bruiser1
Malnourishment and disease was the main reason but there was abuse from what I read


Forced malnourishment yup. Read up.


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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Bruiser1] #7301848
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Originally Posted by Bruiser1
The natives are the main culprit


Could be the church burning their own records.


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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: k9-hunter] #7301849
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to bring you up to speed the catholic church ran residental schools i think from 1890 to 1970 well know at 6 of these schools they have found mass graves so far 1500 + bodies have been found and now looking into the other schools across the country avgerge age of these bodies is from 3-15[/quote]

To bring you up to speed the last residential school closed in 1996.


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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Trapper7] #7301854
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
The animals doing this aren't any different than the animal rioters we had in the US. It's no different, blaming the present for something their ancestors did a 100 years ago. This is an example of domestic terrorism.


Very uninformed comment. The last school closed in 96. A lot of these old devils that did the abuse are still alive and nobody is making any move to hold them accountable for what they did. Iíll leave it at that. This is an issue close to my heart as I have numerous family members that went through the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that was residential school. If you donít have anything intelligent to add to this conversation then please hold your tongue. Look at your own child or grandchild and imagine them being taken by force and never seeing them again. Then imagine years later finding out about what really went on and having your voices fall on deaf ears.


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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Law Dog] #7301855
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Originally Posted by mnsota
Are they suggesting those children were murdered?
What are the native church goers saying?



Yes abused and murdered itís been going on for a long time in the boarding schools just like the abuse elsewhere in the Country has been.
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BS right there.

These are graveyards with marked and unmarked graves.These graveyards have been known about for years,not recently discovered.because there were no markers the exact locations of the plots were unknown.
Some clergy are buried in the same graveyards with markers.
many people back in the day were buried with no markers or wooden markers that disintegrate over time.
Me and the wife searched for her fathers unmarked grave in Moose factory several years ago.The plot maps were lost in a church fire years ago.
This was not a residential school grave,her father died in a work accident when she was small.Her uncle pointed out where roughly he was laid to rest although the exact spot is unknown.

As was said,one school 2oo and some graves ran for 90 years with 500 students every year attending.This is a little more than 2 deaths per year at a time when a lot of people died from tuberculosis and polio etc.

There is no autopsy reports yet of how these people died-no proof whatsoever that any were murdered so far

people are jumping to conclusions or are politicising it to squeeze out more money from the government for reparations.

If any children were found to be murdered there should be investigations and repercussions.

Got to keep things in perspective and dont believe the spin.


On the other side-churches being burned by criminals are not something that is supported by christian native people at all.It is a result of some people politicizing the issue for gain.


Also-the policy of removing kids from their families just because they lived a subsistence lifestyle was wrong.It was done to mostly native people but also was done to white children in remote places where they lived a subsitence lifestyle like in Newfoundland on the east coast of Canada.


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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: KeithC] #7301858
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BOCO my statement was about US boarding schools not the Canada ones.


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Boco we agree, people who wanted a reason to burn churches and push their hate agenda found a reason.

what is so sad is that people in the government who's job it is to call for proper investigations are staying silent or saying dumb things to fuel the folks burning the churches. because they know who votes them into office or need these useful idiots for some other agenda.


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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Law Dog] #7301862
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
BOCO my statement was about US boarding schools not the Canada ones.



Dont get me wrong-no doubt at all there was abuse at some of these places.

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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: KeithC] #7301864
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I wasn't going to start a thread on this, but have been curious about the reporting I've heard over here about the mass graves and disappearing kids in BC and Alberta.

Nothing would surprise me these days, but for this to hasve gone on so recently is amazing to me.

I hope we learn more, but probably won't... just like the Vatican laundering money, paying off the lawsuits and letting nuns die in poverty.

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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Boco] #7301868
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by Law Dog
BOCO my statement was about US boarding schools not the Canada ones.



Dont get me wrong-no doubt at all there was abuse at these places.



Agree on that we have a Catholic run boarding school here in town still itís quite the place everything a kid would like some modern issues come up but are rare and yes the kids run away but not often, but are found.


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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: KeithC] #7301870
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Another factoid that you never hear about is that when the Native people signed Treatys with the government,one of the requirements of the government was to provide healthcare and education to native people free of charge among other things.
The residential school system was initiated as a cost effective way to administer education to people who were scattered far and wide in many cases,especially when wintering on traplines.The intent at the time was to prepare native people to assimilate into western culture and lifestyle.In the process they wound up supressing the native culture which was wrong in hindsight.
Hindsight is always 20-20.

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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: KeithC] #7301871
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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: KeithC] #7301875
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Its idiots like him on both sides that fuel the fire^^^

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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: KeithC] #7301876
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Agree on that we have a Catholic run boarding school here in town still itís quite the place everything a kid would like some modern issues come up but are rare and yes the kids run away but not often, but are found. [/quote]

To clarify it was not just Catholic here in Canada-Anglicans also.

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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: KeithC] #7301879
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Does people have to be Catholic to do terrible things. Was the Boy Scouts ran by the Catholic faith ?

We have hundreds of unmarked graves around here, sometimes if lucky there is one family marker. Typhoid and diphtheria were big killers here. My dad had a brother die in 1915. He only had a wooden marker, my dad only remembered the general area in the cemetery which is among many other sunken graves. When the box would rot away the ground would sink in. Dust to ashes.

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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Ryan McLeod] #7301883
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Originally Posted by Ryan McLeod
Originally Posted by Trapper7
The animals doing this aren't any different than the animal rioters we had in the US. It's no different, blaming the present for something their ancestors did a 100 years ago. This is an example of domestic terrorism.


Very uninformed comment. The last school closed in 96. A lot of these old devils that did the abuse are still alive and nobody is making any move to hold them accountable for what they did. Iíll leave it at that. This is an issue close to my heart as I have numerous family members that went through the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that was residential school. If you donít have anything intelligent to add to this conversation then please hold your tongue. Look at your own child or grandchild and imagine them being taken by force and never seeing them again. Then imagine years later finding out about what really went on and having your voices fall on deaf ears.


I've read stories like Ryan's before, so I'd say there's more to this than disease.

Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Ryan McLeod] #7301887
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Originally Posted by Ryan McLeod
Originally Posted by Trapper7
The animals doing this aren't any different than the animal rioters we had in the US. It's no different, blaming the present for something their ancestors did a 100 years ago. This is an example of domestic terrorism.


Very uninformed comment. The last school closed in 96. A lot of these old devils that did the abuse are still alive and nobody is making any move to hold them accountable for what they did. Iíll leave it at that. This is an issue close to my heart as I have numerous family members that went through the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that was residential school. If you donít have anything intelligent to add to this conversation then please hold your tongue. Look at your own child or grandchild and imagine them being taken by force and never seeing them again. Then imagine years later finding out about what really went on and having your voices fall on deaf ears.

So, in your opinion the way to alleviate the problem is to burn down churches?

George Floyd was killed by a police officer, so BLM and Antifa burned businesses, vandalized buildings, even killed a few people. I guess in your opinion that was the right approach too, even the cop that killed him rightfully got a lengthy prison term and justice was served.


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Re: Canadians are destroying churches. [Re: Ryan McLeod] #7301895
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Originally Posted by Ryan McLeod
Very uninformed comment. The last school closed in 96. A lot of these old devils that did the abuse are still alive and nobody is making any move to hold them accountable for what they did. Iíll leave it at that. This is an issue close to my heart as I have numerous family members that went through the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) that was residential school. If you donít have anything intelligent to add to this conversation then please hold your tongue. Look at your own child or grandchild and imagine them being taken by force and never seeing them again. Then imagine years later finding out about what really went on and having your voices fall on deaf ears.


It all sounds pretty horrible but doesn't justify arson.


Eh...wot?

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Originally Posted by Ryan McLeod
Originally Posted by Bruiser1
The natives are the main culprit


Could be the church burning their own records.


Anythingís possible I guess

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