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Re: China virus [Re: Marty] #7302233
07/08/21 10:45 PM
07/08/21 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
Drug/alcohol usage/abusage has never been worse here or in the EU.

I bet a good 1/3 or more of the population uses to excess on a regular basis. Sad deal.

What is CCP?


I bet you are right. I've heard stories , 20 people apply for a job , 3 pass the drug test.

CCP = Chinese Communist Party


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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302252
07/08/21 11:05 PM
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We have 4 of our 8 PICU beds today once again filled with 14-17 year old OD patients. The ones who lived that is.
Something is unwired in our country and the easy answer is to blame someone else.

Here's what I see each day and I chat candidly with quite a few parents.
When the OD'ers parents and even their parents are crafting and forging a lifestyle that one young lady (16 yrs) told me today was hitty with an s on the front....
is it any wonder some "kids" want to check out of the hotel California early.

It's not bullying that is killing our kids.
It's us.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302278
07/08/21 11:46 PM
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If no one is buying they won't sell it. Make a choice to put poison in your body deal with the consequences. Not just with an od but also no Transplants after their organs quit functioning. They destroyed their first set why wast any more resources on them.

Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302290
07/09/21 12:04 AM
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Hard to blame anyone but the addict. Sure people make bad choices. But ANYONE can choose to get off the stuff again if they want to bad enough.


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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302328
07/09/21 05:07 AM
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I think I'm starting to see a trend in the stinking thinking.

To stop addicts, take away the drugs or put them up high so they can't reach them.

To stop alcoholics prohibit the making of alcohol.

To stop gun violence take and destroy all the guns.

Yep, utopia is on its way !

Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302333
07/09/21 05:35 AM
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A lot of people don't choose to become addicts. A lot of them start out as prescription meds supplied very readily by doctors. When that supply runs out they're already addicted, and move on to easier to get non-prescription "meds".

People fail to realize when taking prescription meds that they are known to make a persons body think it's in pain so the need to take more and more rises.

When I wrecked my bike in 2017 I was put on oxy's. I was on them for approx. 8 weeks. It only took about 4 weeks for my body to become addicted to them. At 8 weeks I was pretty far down the rabbit hole. When I came home from my last surgery I decided )because I knew my addictive personality) to take one pill for the 3 hr ride home and then had one to take for the first night. I was then going to manage with Tylenol. About 3 days after quitting them I was laying in bed puking, shaking, and just miserable. I had 8 days of the part of withdrawal, then about 3 months of fighting to keep from taking on to get over some of the things they were still doing to my leg. I could've very easily fallen back down the rabbit hole. I could've also very easily turned to street meds to control the pain. I made the determined effort to kick them. Some people get so far gone that they can't make that decision. They are the ones that need the help.

With that being said I have a friend that went through both heroin and alcohol withdrawal. She said she'd much rather go through the heroin withdrawal than to go through alcohol again. Serious alcohol drying out can involve a lot hallucinations and other weirdness that you don't really get from drugs.


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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302343
07/09/21 06:21 AM
07/09/21 06:21 AM
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So what is the answer for the people that “can’t?”


I know years ago when a family member was a problem, the family seem to impose great influence in behavior correction. Now the responsible, productive members of society go to jail for intervening.

Or

You call the police on them, they go to jail, make friends with other criminals, get out and then with their new friends rob your house while you are on vacation. lol


-Goofy-
Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302352
07/09/21 06:43 AM
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I guess if a smoker gets lung cancer or user of snuff/dip/chew gets throat cancer they shouldn't be treated? They allowed themselves to become addicted to a substance known to cause cancer so they should live with the consequences of their actions.

Re: China virus [Re: ] #7302357
07/09/21 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by J Staton
I guess if a smoker gets lung cancer or user of snuff/dip/chew gets throat cancer they shouldn't be treated? They allowed themselves to become addicted to a substance known to cause cancer so they should live with the consequences of their actions.


Most that I know, kind of feel that way.


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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302359
07/09/21 06:54 AM
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It seems to be a prevalent thought in today's world HT.

Re: China virus [Re: Providence Farm] #7302403
07/09/21 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
If no one is buying they won't sell it. Make a choice to put poison in your body deal with the consequences. Not just with an od but also no Transplants after their organs quit functioning. They destroyed their first set why wast any more resources on them.

I agree.


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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302423
07/09/21 09:12 AM
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All I know is that addiction is Not

A "disease" not all in society are to blame for choices.


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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302426
07/09/21 09:17 AM
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I'm sorry to hear of your loss.

Fetynal is nasty and one can od just touching it. Lots of officers od from searching suspects, their vehicles or whatever else.
You can stop buying from China all you want but unfortunately China holds the market for the tech sector so the CCP will always be well funded. China also holds lots of mines of rare earth materials which is mainly used in computers.

It's not just ccp it's the gang's mafia's cartels and others who are supplying the products and materials. Get rid of one drug and another comes right along.


Now that the borders are open drugs are pouring in like crazy. More than ever. Hundreds of thousands of pounds of drugs come through El Paso into NM already.

Re: China virus [Re: ] #7302461
07/09/21 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark June
We have 4 of our 8 PICU beds today once again filled with 14-17 year old OD patients. The ones who lived that is.
Something is unwired in our country and the easy answer is to blame someone else.

Here's what I see each day and I chat candidly with quite a few parents.
When the OD'ers parents and even their parents are crafting and forging a lifestyle that one young lady (16 yrs) told me today was hitty with an s on the front....
is it any wonder some "kids" want to check out of the hotel California early.

It's not bullying that is killing our kids.
It's us.

Blessings,
Mark




It's the debil working overtime . God has been shunned in this country


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Re: China virus [Re: Foxpaw] #7302538
07/09/21 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
I think I'm starting to see a trend in the stinking thinking.

To stop addicts, take away the drugs or put them up high so they can't reach them.

To stop alcoholics prohibit the making of alcohol.

To stop gun violence take and destroy all the guns.

Yep, utopia is on its way !

addicts CHoose to take drugs
alckies choose to drink
killers choose to shoot, you can kill with most any instrument. banning guns does nothing. I have a constitutional right to have a gun, not so with drugs.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
I guess if a smoker gets lung cancer or user of snuff/dip/chew gets throat cancer they shouldn't be treated? They allowed themselves to become addicted to a substance known to cause cancer so they should live with the consequences of their actions.

Not for free

Re: China virus [Re: run] #7302550
07/09/21 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by run
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
If no one is buying they won't sell it. Make a choice to put poison in your body deal with the consequences. Not just with an od but also no Transplants after their organs quit functioning. They destroyed their first set why wast any more resources on them.

I agree.

What about all the chemicals and preservatives in our food? Can't get away from it. It causes addiction and obesity and diabetes.


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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302648
07/09/21 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cragar
I'm sorry you think that way. I am clearly pro - gun.

I have had the benefit of learning why people get addicted to opiates. I carry anti-overdose kit in my car ( Narcan) because I have been trained with it as a firefighter. No one deserves to die as an addiction problem. They need help not people who think they need to die.

Ask their family if they deserve to die.

x2


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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302738
07/09/21 06:50 PM
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Re: China virus [Re: Cragar] #7302780
07/09/21 07:42 PM
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They don't deserve to die. Unfortunately they made a choice that puts them at a risk of dying. No different than the tobacco user or the person who won't make lifestyle changes to improve their quality of life. Adults have the right to make those choices and will suffer the consequences as they have always done. For long term drug users it may be more merciful to allow them to die than force them to live a life of addiction. The choice should be theirs.
I see the continued use a choice. There is help for those who truly want it.

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