Re: does anyone have more muskrats
[Re: MinkGuy]
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07/11/21 03:29 PM
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Last time we had a decent muskrat population around here was 2004 i believe i have the year right. It rained much more than normal that whole year , feeder streams & ditches that went dry half or more of the year never did . I was shocked how much the population had recovered & expanded , i found rats in places that i had never found them in before even going back 30 years before when muskrats where everywhere . The year after , it was almost as low as before .
So far this year , rains have been more off than on , seeing a few but we had a drought last year so there weren't many anyway left .
Lack of stable water levels have a big factor but hawks, owls, coyotes, coons , herons & other wading birds are hard on them but biggest problem i see from testing that was done here in Ohio is from Farm chemicals . Fertilizers, Herbicides & Pesticides all show up in testing . Even trace amounts of long ago banned DDT were found.
I don't think we will ever see stable populations consistantly ever again .
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
[Re: MinkGuy]
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07/11/21 06:11 PM
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You remember things differently, and maybe not accurately, when you're a kid but I remember the marshes being completely covered with rat huts in the 70's. 50 of them visible no matter where you were.
Today, the heavily populated spots will have 3-5 huts.
-Ryan
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
[Re: MinkGuy]
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07/11/21 06:53 PM
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Rat populations on the tidal Potomac marsh where I trap have held up fairly consistently over the past 30 years.
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
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07/12/21 07:36 AM
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Rats have been declining in Western NY, draught and I believe the Blue Green Toxic Algae. you can find young rats and litters on spring feed creeks with flowing cold water, most farm ponds have very few rats that is stable water year round, beaver ponds you will find them in the dams, not many, the rats coming off the larger water ways are large alpha adults. We also have a lot of otters and they are taking their share also. When I returned to western NY about 10 years ago my mink rat ratio was 10-14 to 1, its now about 5 or 6 to 1. The mink are doing well because the litters are raised on small stream away from the algae, then migrate down to the larger waters, there was a fellow trapper that use to take 1 to 2 hundred a season out of a local swamp, last year he came in for one day had very few and said he was going to Ohio, Austin P keeps track of the rats in central NY, great source of information on rats. I remember when water was blue and now its green. This is happening at all elevations in the lower 48, even high elevation lakes in the rockies. I remember seeing the algae in Africa, SE Asia and Central America in the late 70s and to the MID 80s, Look at your satelite images on Google, look at the beaver ponds, where the beaver are active the water brown, where they are not its blue green. Even watch TV where they are selling a house on waterfront property, the water is green.
ITS been raining here lately and i have been watching two litters of rats on two different feeder streams. no ALGAE.
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
[Re: MinkGuy]
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07/12/21 08:49 AM
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The rats are here in pockets, a few here and a few there. I think there's probably a really high mortality rate because of predators, especially birds. Sometimes you find big huts with hardly any rats. We are currently having a wet summer, so it could be a bit of a better year for them. Cover is a big factor, they don't fare so well in the open. So, the question is "When you say do we have more rats, compared to when?" Compared to 40 years ago, no. Compared to some recent years, perhaps.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
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07/12/21 09:23 AM
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The pasture ponds I grew up trapping rats up in NE Kansas used to have lots of feed beds you could see from the road and now there are none. If you do find muskrats there they are hidden in the creeks with lots of tree cover.
I always took that to mean the birds of prey cleaned them out of any open waterway even tho big brother says so many birds of prey are not harmful. Smells like BS to me.
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
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07/12/21 12:04 PM
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I see rats in my 40 acre pond, but the water's the lowest I've ever seen it. If we don't get rain and lots of it by fall, the pond will freeze to the bottom and all the rats will freeze out. It's sad, as the last couple of years they seemed to be making a comeback.
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
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07/12/21 12:24 PM
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There always is a few rats around the lake here, and in any creek, bay, or river, but we are in a drought, there is no inflow, some creeks are dried up. Any beaver colony will have a few. Beaver have slow rivers dammed up like never before, places that wont hold a dam if there is more flow. This country up here needs water, the farmers do, the forest does.
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
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07/12/21 12:41 PM
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Les it's possible you will see more rat sign on the big lake because of the drought. I'd like to go blow the dam in Kenora and see what the lake could be like.
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
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07/12/21 01:15 PM
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As no till farming came in we lost big eating size bullfrogs, rabbits, quail, muskrats , lightning bugs, and prairie chickens . I suspect the reason lies with that and the chemicals used. None of those things are extinct but numbers are very very much diminished
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Re: does anyone have more muskrats
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07/12/21 02:02 PM
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I agree Danny , and also digging drain pipes in fields to drain the low areas.
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