No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: Yes sir] #7303961
07/11/21 06:55 PM
07/11/21 06:55 PM
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 13,155
Ky
J
jbyrd63 Offline OP
trapper
jbyrd63  Offline OP
trapper
J

Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 13,155
Ky
Originally Posted by Yes sir
It's hard to put a price on the value of a cover crop and it varies region to region. More are doing it in my area. Some say it adds value over its cost, some say it's about a break even and some say it's cost is greater than it's value in my area. We do some on the operation I work on but we graze it in the fall to help recover some of the input costs.



PLUS you can deduct the seed cost from your taxes !!!

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7303965
07/11/21 06:56 PM
07/11/21 06:56 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 63,103
Minnesota
330-Trapper Offline

trapper
330-Trapper  Offline

trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 63,103
Minnesota
The cover crop takes Nitrogen from the Soil to brak down initially. Upon decomposing the Nitrogen is recovered into the Soil.


NRA and NTA Life Member
www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com




Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7303977
07/11/21 07:10 PM
07/11/21 07:10 PM
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,011
ohio
T
tomahawker Offline
trapper
tomahawker  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: May 2009
Posts: 3,011
ohio
As said before, it’s a cover crop. One thing not mentioned already is it greatly aids weed suppression, along with compaction, erosion and nutrient microbes aspects. Also the government at some point may start “encouraging” use of cover crops. All in all cover crops are a great thing for wildlife. Nothing lives in the dirt desert of conventional till fields.

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: tomahawker] #7303990
07/11/21 07:29 PM
07/11/21 07:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,359
East-Central Wisconsin
B
bblwi Offline
trapper
bblwi  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,359
East-Central Wisconsin
I would check to see if it is not winter rye instead of wheat. Around here we don't plant expensive wheat seed instead of rye for a cover crop. We also have a lot of farmers plant winter rye or triticale and cut it mid-May and chop as silage and then plant corn for silage. Cover crop and also a way to get some organic matter back in the soil. They probably spray it to kill it so when they plant the spring crop you are not planting new seeds into live roots which will suck all the water out of the soil and really impact germination.

Bryce

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304019
07/11/21 08:09 PM
07/11/21 08:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 15
Michigan
R
rhobbs Offline
trapper
rhobbs  Offline
trapper
R

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 15
Michigan
It's done around here a fair amount. Cereal rye will be planted in the fall and then a crop is no till planted the following year. Around here, the rye is ran over with a crimper roller to terminate it and leave a thatch for the crop to grow through reducing weed pressure. You gain organic matter and and reduce herbicide and fertilizer costs. My impression is that it takes some fine tuning to get it right.

It works well for food plots as well. I spring plant rye or oats, terminate aug. 1st and plant brassica and red clover.

Last edited by rhobbs; 07/11/21 08:10 PM.
Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304021
07/11/21 08:12 PM
07/11/21 08:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,867
Greene County,Virginia
R
run Offline
trapper
run  Offline
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,867
Greene County,Virginia
I like the roller crimper idea too.


wanna be goat farmer.
Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304045
07/11/21 08:47 PM
07/11/21 08:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,241
Indiana
K
keystone Offline
trapper
keystone  Offline
trapper
K

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,241
Indiana
It’s likely cereal rye rather than wheat, both are cereal grains but i believe rye gives slightly better benefit to the soil, it’s cheap insurance against erosion also. Less than $20per acre to plant i would think.

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304051
07/11/21 08:56 PM
07/11/21 08:56 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,239
NE
M
Marty B Offline
"arbitrary noob"
Marty B  Offline
"arbitrary noob"
M

Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,239
NE
Here in North Central NE most of the big operations have gone to it.


Mostly rye planted after harvest.


Rye looks a lot like wheat.


They start planting beans, and corn around the end of April, Mostly strip till.

They kill the rye about the time they plant. Plus or minus depending on what other fires need put out.



Sometimes it gets away from them, and you will see a field of headed out rye with little baby corn underneath.




It saves a lot of water, soil, and herbicide.

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304053
07/11/21 09:06 PM
07/11/21 09:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 8,962
Indiana
P
Providence Farm Offline
trapper
Providence Farm  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 8,962
Indiana
I'm a small time hobby farmer but always cover crop our growing area. Usually with rye, wheat with Harry vech mixed in. I mow it before planting. It adds organic bio mass and builds soil, suppresses weeds, reduces erosion, and looks much nicer all winter than bare dirt about the worse thing you can have.

In between spring and fall crops I will plant buckwheat on any ideal bare ground for the same reason with the added bonus of in 3 weeks I will get 1-3weeks of good nectar producing flower's for my bee's during the Darth when little else is blooming. Heck I plant it if not needed for a cover crop just for the bee's.

I don't get involved bur there are programs that pay farmers here to plant cover crops off.

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304081
07/11/21 09:49 PM
07/11/21 09:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,002
Eastern Shore, MD
J
JoMiBru Offline
trapper
JoMiBru  Offline
trapper
J

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,002
Eastern Shore, MD

In our operation, we plant cover crop behind all the corn acres every fall, as soon as the combine leaves the field. Cover crop is usually barley, but also use wheat, daikon radishes, crimson clover.
-Cover crops aid in conserving moisture in the seed bed, by creating a mulch , while keeping the direct sunlight to the soil minimized.
-Cover crops reduce erosion from both rain and wind
-Cover crops hold your residual nitrogen and other nutrients in place. Also, the legumes will fix nitrogen to reduce applications for the following crop.

We’re seeing lots of benefits of planting cover crops on our farms.

It is killed around May 1st, as soon as the next crop of corn or beans is planted. Sometimes the planter chases the sprayer, but lately were trying to “plant green”, meaning no-till plant into the green standing cover crop, and spray it to kill it before the new crop emerges. It’s been working great for our operation.

John

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304100
07/11/21 10:24 PM
07/11/21 10:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 263
N MN
D
DHH Offline
trapper
DHH  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 263
N MN
In my area the only reason guys monkey with cover crops and minimal till is for the payments under certain programs through nrcs


I'd Rather Try And Fail Then Not Try And Succeed
Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304106
07/11/21 10:33 PM
07/11/21 10:33 PM
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 82
Greenville,Oh
K
KC Blues Offline
trapper
KC Blues  Offline
trapper
K

Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 82
Greenville,Oh
Bet there is a tax deduction on taxes to do that. Expense with out a yield.

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304110
07/11/21 10:39 PM
07/11/21 10:39 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,359
East-Central Wisconsin
B
bblwi Offline
trapper
bblwi  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,359
East-Central Wisconsin
We have heavy clay soil here most of it red and some blue. No till was not a good method here for corn but with new technology and new practices we see more of it every year. We do quite a bit of no-till alfalfa , winter wheat and beans. The cover crops work well for us. Farmers get an early good forage for cows and heifers and can then put on 6-8,000 gallons of liquid manure and plant corn. The cover crop roots allow for surface spreading with not much or any tilling. (soil type and slope is a factor). Then when corn silage comes off the winter rye can be planted. We are seeing more farmers planting silage corn a bit later when the soil is warmer, and get faster emergence and more are harvesting silage in October to stretch the season to work with the harvest and winter rye can be planted in mid to late October and still do very well. It is hardier then winter wheat, does better weed control and breaks dormancy earlier than the wheat does. The triticale is a cross between winter rye and winter wheat, does not get as tall, does not spike as quickly and holds higher feed value for a few more days, but yields slightly less.
Cover crops here have many valuable aspects for our soil types and our dairy farming.

Bryce

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: bblwi] #7304242
07/12/21 08:17 AM
07/12/21 08:17 AM
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 13,155
Ky
J
jbyrd63 Offline OP
trapper
jbyrd63  Offline OP
trapper
J

Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 13,155
Ky
Originally Posted by bblwi
I would check to see if it is not winter rye instead of wheat. Around here we don't plant expensive wheat seed instead of rye for a cover crop. We also have a lot of farmers plant winter rye or triticale and cut it mid-May and chop as silage and then plant corn for silage. Cover crop and also a way to get some organic matter back in the soil. They probably spray it to kill it so when they plant the spring crop you are not planting new seeds into live roots which will suck all the water out of the soil and really impact germination.

Bryce


Thanks bblwi and JO MI BRO, You guys made the most sense and are speaking from experience I'm just amazed they dont cut it for straw as much as a bale of straw is worth. But then you loose the compose for the most part.

Last edited by jbyrd63; 07/12/21 08:18 AM.
Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304744
07/12/21 09:15 PM
07/12/21 09:15 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,359
East-Central Wisconsin
B
bblwi Offline
trapper
bblwi  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,359
East-Central Wisconsin
Where we live with the demand for straw it would not be worked in the soil it would be made into straw for bedding or a few lbs. per day per head to promote proper rumen function and the farmers would be happy to bring liquid manure to make up for the organic matter lost. Rye is not a preferred feed for livestock around here with our damp climate hard to get it dry enough not to get ergot mold and thus not good for cattle or feed intake. Cows can handle quite a bit of mold and live but it does impact production, rate of gain and repro.

Bryce

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304752
07/12/21 09:24 PM
07/12/21 09:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,867
Greene County,Virginia
R
run Offline
trapper
run  Offline
trapper
R

Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,867
Greene County,Virginia
People bale straw in Page County VA. There is definitely a demand for straw.

Last edited by run; 07/12/21 09:24 PM.

wanna be goat farmer.
Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304814
07/12/21 10:44 PM
07/12/21 10:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,002
Eastern Shore, MD
J
JoMiBru Offline
trapper
JoMiBru  Offline
trapper
J

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,002
Eastern Shore, MD
Baling removes a lot of your stored nutrients in your straw/heads. Very similar to these guys baling corn shucks in the fall, you’re removing a lot of your potash from the field, as well as organic matter. Here on our sandy loam soils, this is very important to our grain operation. Gotta take care of your soil, especially when your topsoil layer is inches, not feet like the midwest.

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7304992
07/13/21 08:47 AM
07/13/21 08:47 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,213
central Missouri
B
Bigfoot Offline
trapper
Bigfoot  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,213
central Missouri
Seed for cover crops is not near as expensive as production wheat or rye .

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7305054
07/13/21 10:28 AM
07/13/21 10:28 AM
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 548
NY
whartonrattrappe Offline
trapper
whartonrattrappe  Offline
trapper

Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 548
NY
Maybe someone is supplying the seed for cover crops.

The Upper Susquehanna Coalition will supply seed for cover crops if you live in the river basin.

Way more cover crops being planted in the last 10 years here due to this. Mostly winter wheat.

Re: Question for grain farmers [Re: jbyrd63] #7305057
07/13/21 10:33 AM
07/13/21 10:33 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,213
central Missouri
B
Bigfoot Offline
trapper
Bigfoot  Offline
trapper
B

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,213
central Missouri
I see wheat , rye , barley, mostly around here . It is so much better than bare dirt

Page 2 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread